If not on this displacement he will be making the change on the next one cause his ass is going on the 145 LGA

Unless they had class dates at Major's, I doubt that.

Yeah. That's a lot of bonus money to pay back if any of it was spent.

Not sure how much of this to believe, but thanks for taking the time to write it for those of us still looking around.

When MIA/NY closed and they transferred all of us involuntarily to ORD, I called the CP office that day, quit and Fedex’d my manuals out. Didn’t have a job lined up, picked up contract work collected myself from all the frustration and BS eagle subjected me to and turns out had a great time taking a break.

I hope guys walked in and quit.

Most of what you read is accurate although that doesn’t make it a horrible place to work by any means. I’ve dug ditches before and believe me this is better than that, lol.

What needs to happen to erase all of this negativity and poor moral is rather straight forward if the company would just decide to do it.

1. Get our pay back up to or close to industry high. I.E Endevor. It’s depressing knowing our captains make 20+$ less than people doing the same thing, which equates to $20,000+ more a year for them.

2. Fix reserve system so that people will actually want to upgrade and not have to resort to forced displacements that do nothing but **** pilots off and decrease our already limited time with our families and friends.

3. Flow flow flow. Enough said. We need to trust that the company will not violate like it did after this summer. We need an end date, even if it is years out, to stay fairly reliable so we can accurately plan for our future. This is a big deal for people.

If those three things happened we would once again be the top place to come. Right now the recruiting numbers look good because of the HVA and RTP programs so who knows if any of this will change.

Other than that, like I said a few weeks back, the company has treated me well and with respect, even through some sick calls. The CPO is management but that is the same everywhere, although again they have been nothing but respectful. I will say that I have had no issues, violations or bad reports from captains so that could change for someone that is performing badly.

Envoy treats Flow as a huge part of their compensation and retention package. Why would they ever raise rates to Endever or anything close to industry high? They don't need to. They get plenty of recruits with the bonus and they have no problems with retaining Captains with the flow.

You “may” be correct hence the last paragraph of my post. However everything you mention is past tense and time will tell of people react or not.

What was your time line

No not seriously. The guy he cites as an example was a scammer that made a big show of it. I’ve heard everything from they fired him for having a cold to him taking FMLA for a kid he didn’t have. You don’t have the full story, but it’s never that simple. If you get fired for calling in sick once call the FAA and your congressman.

As for the rest of the whinging, it’s not like all of this wasn’t public information. You know the pay scales either you can make it on the pay or you can’t.

Commuting to LGA/JFK? Amazing that you’d end up being based at one of the airline’s bases, what are the odds?

Enjoy siting in a cubical worshiping the flashing rectangle for the rest of your life. That life is miserable, this is the easiest job I’ve ever had despite some of the ****ery.