I am coming into this conversation late, but man, it sounds like a ******* show. I only came on to this board to research and help my daughter make a career decision. She has an undergrad and master's in music, but aviation is a passion, has been for a long time and for some unknown reason seems to want to fly 121. On one side I feel bad for her, as it sounds like a mess getting to a good spot in a career. On the other hand, music is a freaking mess also and the compensation is a joke in comparison to what 121 is getting. And I know she would just be depressingly miserable in a corporate job. Right now her "office" is an L-19 Bird Dog, with almost no compensation. But I am not sure it gets much better than that. These might indeed be "the good old days".

Was looking at Envoy with her, but I just don't know...

Has she applied to the majors already (particularly Delta)? Female aviatiors are considered diverse and are regarded as extremely desirable candidates for the best positions in this career.

Regardless, if going to a regional to improve the resume for a street hire at any major, I wouldn't worry about Envoy. The main gimmick Envoy has is the flow. If you are assured of a call from a major in fairly short order, there are better places to be.

I'm in my 40s and am envious of the kids coming into the industry today. Young people just starting will have a very different experience than a lot of us have had. She should have a great career in aviation and yes she should be pursuing 121. All regionals have their issues... they are a starting point, not the finish line. But almost all are better than they used to be, Envoy included. If she has a passion for flying, it's what she should be doing. Envoy may or may not be the right place for her but don't steer her away from flying if it's her passion as you say.

Also should add, despite what else is said, female or not, she will not get Delta right out of college. Ignore that other post.

Some people have never gone hungry
 

It’s amazing to me the number of over-privaledged, under-experienced men and women who think because they have a piece of paper they are entitled to instant success. Hard work is exactly that, hard work, and arriving at the regionals is hardly the end of it. For those who have the character and fortitude to persevere through the hard beginning years of airline experience, a rewarding and lucrative future is theirs. For those with unrealistic expectations, as is the case with this impatient pilot, discouragement and disgruntlement usually follow when those inflated expectations pop. The rest of us are rewarded with a seniority boost.

Wow! This is a strange thread to dredge up and get on a soapbox about given the last post was nearly a year ago and the original post you're referencing is over a year and a half ago.

And from a one post wonder, no less.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm just not interested enough to go back and read this old thread to try to figure out what his agenda might be.

Confused
 

I’m sorry guys I guess I’m a little confused, I thought this was a forum. I just recently joined and, despite this being over a year old, comments were still being made and I thought I was welcome to state mine. Maybe if I had more than one post, my opinions would have more validity and possibly not trolled to such a level. Please forgive me if I’ve violated any of your safe places.

Sure, anyone can post anything they want to. But when you see someone who has a comment that seems to be drudging something up or taking a decidedly slanted position or otherwise have an agenda and it is their first post, it raises questions.

Read Before You Come To Envoy
 

Valid point of view in my book. That is how the wheels turn in this industry. No harm in your statement.

People are jittery here at Envoy. Jaded way too many times. AIP debacle for example has caused PTSD and trauma (so much drama in this pilot group).