My apologies.

This thread is.....tough to label. I'll say this. It looks like the OP hit a button with many envoy "staffers/made men/lackeys" or whatever they are generally described as in this field.

I think many people interested in this field appreciate threads like this, especially since the OP said that experiences may vary, feel free to rebut with examples.

Reading through I had expected thoughtful responses, or at least discussion. Some back and forth. Instead what I got to read in replies was

OP you're
-stupid
-a virgin
-a virgin accountant
-a stupid virgin accountant

Or variations of that. I can't say if the arguments he made were true, but the time, effort, and opportunity he gave all parties to interact is appreciated.

If nothing else was learned here, it shows the character of some of the people you may have otherwise worked with at envoy. That in and of itself is worth it.

You must not have read through ALL the responses, because I spent half a night answering almost every one of the numerous points he made - bold type WITHIN his own long diatribe, and done on an iPhone, which was painful.

I have spoken with plenty of people who still fly for them. All agree that Envoy needs improvement. However, the ones I've spoken with also feel the place is not NEARLY as bad as some make it out to be. Point being, it's up to each individual to decide if he's reasonably happy there or not. Many of the issues that strongly bother him don't bother others much at all. It's all in each person's perspective.

There are reasons to come here, and reasons not to. These are just my opinions:

You clearly didn’t read the responses I gave. I felt I dealt with most of his topics. In addition I did find others were generally participating productively. While there was some of what you mentioned, one must remember this is an Internet forum and crap like that exists on every single one of them.

Thanks man...much appreciated information
 

Thank you for taking the time out to type all that. I am certain it took a lot of your time.
Those defending are probably recruiters or Envoy milkmaids and juicers.
This is excellent information for those of us seeking which direction to go and man...you helped me and I am sure several others.
Its too bad that they mistreat their pilots like that... after all, there IS a reason bonuses are offered.
Its super simple...keep your pilot group happy = keep your pilots
Why they don't get it, who knows????
Don't give up...you just got unlucky with where you went. There are some great airlines out there that have a good QOL and treat their employees well.
Good Luck !!!

So you aren't a part of the employee group, but already have an opinion as for which info shared on a forum is solid and which is bs?

Cool.

He's right. This board is a hotbed for Envoy recruiters and slimy salesmen that come on here and put the hard sell on unsuspecting saps such as yourself.

They'll sell you BS by the truckload here on just how lightning fast you'll be at AA.

What do you think about that? Cool huh.

I think the days of the heavy heavy recruiters on here are gone, at least for now. I haven't seen the hard sell in a while. However doesn't mean all the info is factual, especially coming from people who aren't at even at Envoy, good or bad.

See, after I interviewed with Envoy I made a point to go back and read the forum posts for the entirety of 2017 to get a general feel for trends over that past year. I've been poking around for longer than that, naturally. Envoy isn't the only airline that I interviewed at, neither did the recruiters give me bs at the interview. During the presentation both the company and the union number of years were given with no preference to either. We asked questions and were given answers. Nothing I can think of was bs or koolaid. Do I think that the flow is a sure thing and I'll be in AA in six years? Not given the current circumstance. Do I think your gig sucks because it's not a legacy? Nope. For some dudes lack of exotic overnights is taking away from the job, to me that's golden.
Back to Envoy though - it's a regional. I'm picking a regional where I have a high chance of driving to work and if need be bidding another base that works for me and where I can drive to work too. I tend to like the current uniform. I'd prefer something with a VNAV, but will settle for the 145. Reserve rules suck, but I hope it'll get better eventually. Same goes for pay - given the opportunity I'd trade the sign on bonus for higher rates. But at the end of the day, it is what it is at this point in time. Would i love to have Air Whiskey health insurance and trip/duty rigs with Endeavor rates and Envoy bases that work for me and guaranteed flow in 5 years? Yes. Is it possible? No. Well then, working with what's possible then.

Message I quoted originally was eye-roll-worthy, that's all, nothing else to see here.