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flysooner9 01-11-2018 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by AZPilotMike (Post 2500320)

Don’t come here as a captain as you will be on reserve forever due to all the FO’s that have 300-500 more hours until upgrade.
Well that’s true for any airline that is essentially hiring street captains.

Pedro4President 01-11-2018 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2500620)
Well that’s true for any airline that is essentially hiring street captains.
Not true for Envoy. As long as they continue to hire 1000 hour 121 pilots then they will increase their seniority. I know many will be on reserve "longer" than FOs on reserve but they will climb the list in LGA and hold a line.

mketch11 01-11-2018 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2500636)
Not true for Envoy. As long as they continue to hire 1000 hour 121 pilots then they will increase their seniority. I know many will be on reserve "longer" than FOs on reserve but they will climb the list in LGA and hold a line.
“Longer” is how long? I’d like to hear how long the projected time for these “high value” folks actually is to hold a line or to get out of LGA. I’m sure recruiting is offering up current times in lieu of any numbers with “years” at the end that are most likely.

moon 01-11-2018 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2500643)
“Longer” is how long? I’d like to hear how long the projected time for these “high value” folks actually is to hold a line or to get out of LGA. I’m sure recruiting is offering up current times in lieu of any numbers with “years” at the end that are most likely.
Hold a line will take some time to see. However, most junior Chicago Captain was hired September 2017. So currently its 4 months to get the award to leave NYC.

Ijustlikeflying 01-11-2018 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by ju10489 (Post 2500508)
Absolutely right!

Doing the “High Value Aviator” program is not a good deal at all. You will be High Value until you finish training and get on the line. After that you’ll be treated like a Low Value Pilot for a very long time!

I believe the moral in this company is gonna go down after this last bid.
Seriously though. If you come here for that bonus, get captain right away. Your life will SUCKKKKKK!!!! I’d rather go back to Flight instructing people that can’t speak English over sitting reserve for the next 3 years under Envoys rules...

DilsonWic 01-11-2018 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying (Post 2500657)
Seriously though. If you come here for that bonus, get captain right away. Your life will SUCKKKKKK!!!! I’d rather go back to Flight instructing people that can’t speak English over sitting reserve for the next 3 years under Envoys rules...
And that’s coming from a guy that just likes flying. ;)

Pedro4President 01-11-2018 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2500643)
“Longer” is how long? I’d like to hear how long the projected time for these “high value” folks actually is to hold a line or to get out of LGA. I’m sure recruiting is offering up current times in lieu of any numbers with “years” at the end that are most likely.
Who knows. That's something you can't forecast very well. There are variables that I can't accurately forecast. LGA growth. Number of NHs. Number of LGA captains that flow or go to a different airline. My guess is 6-8 months but that could be WAY off. I just don't think it's going to be years like I previously thought/predicted.

Ijustlikeflying 01-11-2018 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by DilsonWic (Post 2500675)
And that’s coming from a guy that just likes flying. ;)
Exactly! Sitting reserve and not flying is not what I want to be doing ;) lol

Whiskey4 01-11-2018 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by moon (Post 2500656)
Hold a line will take some time to see. However, most junior Chicago Captain was hired September 2017. So currently its 4 months to get the award to leave NYC.
And, if they are going to pull of this “HVA” program, then expect vacancy bids to come out much more frequently...probably lined up one after the other (only way to ensure people trained out of the gate as captains don’t sit around on paid vacation after training waiting for the next bid). That will enable base transfers on a more frequent/faster basis for everyone.

Not necessarily a bad thing.

bigtime209 01-11-2018 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by Whiskey4 (Post 2500829)
And, if they are going to pull of this “HVA” program, then expect vacancy bids to come out much more frequently...probably lined up one after the other (only way to ensure people trained out of the gate as captains don’t sit around on paid vacation after training waiting for the next bid). That will enable base transfers on a more frequent/faster basis for everyone.

Not necessarily a bad thing.
Wishful thinking. No matter how many guys they have coming through the door doesn't increase the training capacity. The vacancies will continue to be published at the same rate they have been for awhile now, every three months.


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