Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2506234)

You new guys are starting to figure it out. The honeymoon is over for you. Welcome to Envoy. For those of you who weren't here between late 2011-2014, you don't know about the all time low morale. Having said that, things are definitely moving backwards here in terms of QOL, compensation amongst our peers and morale. I think we are about to see a rise in FO and junior CA attrition. I do wish the union leadership would engage with the pilot group some more. The upcoming base visits are nice, but obviously only a portion of us will be around for those. All pilot teleconferences are always helpful for the pilot group to get updated on the current state of relations between the company and ALPA, whether or not much is going on.

Originally Posted by SilentLurker (Post 2506267)

Those issues were industry wide back then, it was as not just Eagle suffering. Bad pay, long reserve, concessions, Long upgrades. Not the same situation today.

Forgive people for wanting more old timers.

*Many of us avoided the industry until pay rates/bonuses came up* including RTP/military guys. Obviously it’s been a pilot pay shortage. “Enjoy” could be making the same mistakes that lead to the departure of many Line pilots to other carriers, exasperating the shortage, vs taking the lead in changing the culture, contract, pay rates, even bonuses which Endeavor, Republic, Air Wisconsin, and Commutair had done since 2013 / 1500hr rule / FAR117. I do believe Enjoy will do what’s right eventually. Takes time and patience for things to Go up to Mainline and come back down. Especially when there are 2 other WO involved and it’s a Me Too atmosphere. Mainline can not compete with Delta and it’s single WO pilot Group, with our 3 WO much larger Me Too groups all wanting the same pay rate, and better TA/contract like Endeavor now has. Something has to give somewhere in the cost structure of the WO’s before we can get a pay rate like Endeavor.

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2506393)

My only goal here is to pass on accurate information without over exaggerating or sugar coating anything. The idea that morale is lower now than 2013/15 is laughable. People didn't think they were going to have jobs soon. The company told us we would close you down if we didn't take pay cuts. More than a 1000 pilots left Eagle. People complain about reserve for a few months. Lol.

I'm all for making this place better going forward. However, when there is this much movement and growth Reserve isn't on my top priority to fix because people won't be on it very long. I would be very interested in seeing an LOA addressing Long Term Displaced CAs that are on reserve so they don't quit after a few months. Reserve isn't that bad if you live in base. Reserve for commuters is extremely painful and I'd like to see that issue corrected. Going forward we need to look at Pay, Schedules, MIN day pay, and current grievances.

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2506393)

My only goal here is to pass on accurate information without over exaggerating or sugar coating anything. The idea that morale is lower now than 2013/15 is laughable. People didn't think they were going to have jobs soon. The company told us we would close you down if we didn't take pay cuts. More than a 1000 pilots left Eagle. People complain about reserve for a few months. Lol.



I'm all for making this place better going forward. However, when there is this much movement and growth Reserve isn't on my top priority to fix because people won't be on it very long. I would be very interested in seeing an LOA addressing Long Term Displaced CAs that are on reserve so they don't quit after a few months. Reserve isn't that bad if you live in base. Reserve for commuters is extremely painful and I'd like to see that issue corrected. Going forward we need to look at Pay, Schedules, MIN day pay, and current grievances.

Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2506232)

We have flow. Thats something to be grateful.

Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 2506516)

With said LOA for new hires upgrades.... What changes do you think they would make? I’m curious, asking for a friend who was just displaced to LGA from DFW and doesn’t want to commute 14 hours a week.

I know I have no room to talk about Morale being a new guy. However I can assure you I wouldn’t be here if I knew about the forced upgrades. I’ll give it a couple months and see how it goes.

Also, to those who think you can deny the forced upgrade (For QOL reasons) you can’t. If the company made an exception for one they would have to for all...



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Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2506642)

Said LOA is simply something I think they should do. I doubt they would even talk or consider something like this. I think they should get positive space on first and last day of a reserve block that is 4 days or longer. Unlimited commuter hotels for pilots on the turn back list. And 12 min day off.

This would make Envoy reserve a little more bearable.

Originally Posted by Cpt Rex Kramer (Post 2506493)

Forced upgrade to a different airframe AND domicile just to sit reserve is complete and absolute BS. If the upgrade is forced, a pilot should at the very minimum be able to keep their domicile.