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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2506642)
Said LOA is simply something I think they should do. I doubt they would even talk or consider something like this. I think they should get positive space on first and last day of a reserve block that is 4 days or longer. Unlimited commuter hotels for pilots on the turn back list. And 12 min day off.
This would make Envoy reserve a little more bearable. Maybe similar thing to at least double the number of hotels for guys who are displaced while on reserve. I’m not familiar with the transportation situation in NY. But I would imagine having a hotel vs a crash pad would ease some additional burden there as well. |
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 2506662)
A positive space commute, at least to work. And if you get displaced to a different domicile then the company has to get you home as well.
Maybe similar thing to at least double the number of hotels for guys who are displaced while on reserve. I’m not familiar with the transportation situation in NY. But I would imagine having a hotel vs a crash pad would ease some additional burden there as well. |
Originally Posted by Inop2
(Post 2506647)
The option could be one or the other. I’m commuting anyway so I’d rather keep my airplane. People are going to leave in larger numbers than expected because of the base issue. A guy on the west coast could make the big D work but a New York commute is out of the question. Persuing other options is what I’m hearing from FO’s being forced to upgrade.
Guys who made decisions to get back into the industry and or change segments out of corporate or 135 and which carrier to choose did so based on a given set of information. Just like in the lift equation, when one thing changes something else has to as well for things to balance out. |
Most new hires need to stop b!tch!ng so much. Yes QOL is down, but it has been way worse. You all came in with big sign on bonuses, fast movement and instant upgrades to CA pay scales.
You all know or should of known how the aviation industry works.....it changes on a dime, sometimes for good sometimes for bad. Most pilots have to sit reserve once, most pilots will have to commute once, most pilots will be displaced at least once in their airline career. Deal with it or get out. Most of You have it better now then most of your CAs did a few years back. Stop b!tch!ng, and follow the contract, don't pick up open time, don't go above and beyond and keep emailing your union reps to help change the things that need to be changed. |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2506642)
Said LOA is simply something I think they should do. I doubt they would even talk or consider something like this. I think they should get positive space on first and last day of a reserve block that is 4 days or longer. Unlimited commuter hotels for pilots on the turn back list. And 12 min day off.
This would make Envoy reserve a little more bearable. Suddenly just because Endeavor gives pay raises, everybody here thinks they are immediately entitles as well. You have to remember the value of what we do have that Endeavor does not. Flow. |
Originally Posted by cr700
(Post 2506697)
I thought you guys were against "negotiating in public" but I've been seeing a lot of it on here.
Suddenly just because Endeavor gives pay raises, everybody here thinks they are immediately entitles as well. You have to remember the value of what we do have that Endeavor does not. Flow. The second point....try harder next time. Very unoriginal. |
Originally Posted by cr700
(Post 2506697)
I thought you guys were against "negotiating in public" but I've been seeing a lot of it on here.
Suddenly just because Endeavor gives pay raises, everybody here thinks they are immediately entitles as well. You have to remember the value of what we do have that Endeavor does not. Flow. More proof you are in bed with the company. Only someone like that would say that flow is a bargaining chip and we don’t deserve raises. Get back under your rock. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Originally Posted by cr700
(Post 2506697)
I thought you guys were against "negotiating in public" but I've been seeing a lot of it on here.
Suddenly just because Endeavor gives pay raises, everybody here thinks they are immediately entitles as well. You have to remember the value of what we do have that Endeavor does not. Flow. |
Originally Posted by cr700
(Post 2506697)
I thought you guys were against "negotiating in public" but I've been seeing a lot of it on here.
Suddenly just because Endeavor gives pay raises, everybody here thinks they are immediately entitles as well. You have to remember the value of what we do have that Endeavor does not. Flow. Endeavor guy here..been lurkin on this thread for a bit to get an idea of why morale would be low at a place with a flow. Also considering Endeavor and Envoy are arguably the top two regionals, albeit for obviously different reasons. First let me say that I hope our TA brings continued momentum to the pilot groups of all regionals who have busted their asses through some seriously tough times and are due what they're worth. That being said, as an outsider, the "flow" just seems to be smoke and mirrors that management plays with the pilot group to justify treating their employees like crap. From the guys I know that work there, QOL, work rules, schedules, and pay are far below what they should be, but its justified because of the "flow". Do y'all have something written into your contract stating that the flow can't be discontinued, metered, or reversed, due to "company need"or some other lawyer speak line of BS? Who's to say the flow doesn't go away at the next economic downturn? If thats the case, the flow seems practically worthless. Ok, maybe not worthless, but close enough. What are the current flow numbers for a new hire? 10 years or something? Take a beating for 10 years but its okay because there is a flow? It would seem as an outsider that the flow is only keeping the koolaid drinking portion of the pilot group happy, where as the guys that can do basic math could see that 2+2 doesn't really add up? Not trolling here, genuinely curious. |
People flowing today are about 12 years seniority. Lots of BS from recruiters and salesmen in the past selling a 5 or 6 year flow. All that matters is what is happening currently and that's a 12 year flow.
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