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Gooselives 02-01-2018 04:49 AM

Flow being violated again...
 
Month over month flow date is getting farther away rather then closer...

Flow=Fake News

DilsonWic 02-01-2018 05:07 AM

Please go on. How now? Other than the standard 25 month.

BIueSideUp 02-01-2018 05:54 AM

#HereWeFlowNow!!! XD smh

Chicken Little 02-01-2018 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 2516932)
Month over month flow date is getting farther away rather then closer...

Flow=Fake News

I count 25 names who flowed in January.

I also count 25 names who were awarded (placed in the pool) on Jan 22nd.

Which number is being violated?

AZPilotMike 02-01-2018 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Chicken Little (Post 2516966)
I count 25 names who flowed in January.

I also count 25 names who were awarded (placed in the pool) on Jan 22nd.

Which number is being violated?

Did AA take more than 50 this month? If so then that would be the number they are referring to I imagine.

ORDinary 02-01-2018 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by AZPilotMike (Post 2516989)
Did AA take more than 50 this month? If so then that would be the number they are referring to I imagine.

Which month? In January I believe they hired 80ish. In February the first class is going to be 24 (if you believe the AA thread), and nobody has said how big the second class will be. 25 of the February total will be flows.

AZPilotMike 02-01-2018 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2517154)
Which month? In January I believe they hired 80ish. In February the first class is going to be 24 (if you believe the AA thread), and nobody has said how big the second class will be. 25 of the February total will be flows.

I was only guessing as to the OP’s intent. If they took more than 50 that month then they need to take more than 25 if I understand correctly.

Daytripper13 02-01-2018 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by AZPilotMike (Post 2517202)
I was only guessing as to the OP’s intent. If they took more than 50 that month then they need to take more than 25 if I understand correctly.

This is straight from the LOA, it sucks what they’re doing but doesn’t seem like they are violating it. Doubt the union will win grievance.

Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.

Bigpimppilot 02-01-2018 06:49 PM

Do you have a law or contract background?

daveetasac 02-01-2018 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by Daytripper13 (Post 2517481)
This is straight from the LOA, it sucks what they’re doing but doesn’t seem like they are violating it. Doubt the union will win grievance.

Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.

This would mean that no fewer than 50% would reign supreme. If 60 are hired at AA in a month, 30 protected pilots should flow. Operational necessity should not apply at this point, as the company continues to grow the pilot group/flying.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.


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