11 yr.
127K
CA LCA
not much OT
Commuter

Ohhhhhh I think I know youuuuuuuu

Ouch. Is this pretty typical?

Conservative example for 2017:
Min guarantee of 72 hours @ 37.90 = $32,745
Per Diem (using 250hrs/mo. at 1.85) = $5,550
FO retention = $10,000
No OT = $0

Total = $48,295

Yes, it is typical. Some Kool Aid drinkers try to brag how wonderful everything is, but his experience is very likely.

Sorry that's not "conservative." He specifically stated he was ineligible for the retention bonus.

Also, per diem is NOT wages. Sure one can spend per diem however one wishes, but per diem is a reimbursement for expenses, not wages.

If you just fly your line per the schedule, have a few sick days during the year and don’t pick up OT ...that’s the FO pay you will receive at Envoy. I should receive my first retention check in April. After taxes....about $1700. Small change in today’s cost of living.

You’ll most likely spend most of the per diem on food and nescessities so I wouldn’t plan on that being extra income.

For a “typical” person...it absolutely is. Maybe not for his particular situation, but the next poster asked if that was “typical”. Besides, how is someone not eligible for retention bonus? Upgraded to CA perhaps? Great...then their hourly wage now makes up the difference.

Fight it all you want. The “typical” person makes more than $31k. And yes, per diem is a part of compensation. Or shall we have the company take it away in the next contract since it isn’t a wage. You are spending money that the company is then reimbursing, which means that no matter how you slice it that is a form of income. You are literally trying to make this job sound worse than it is, which is pretty much all that happens on APC.

Per Diem is not income. It is an employer reembursement to cover job related expenses that would otherwise reduce your income.

If you’re smart, a one-time investment in a cooler bag and a few other supplies with a weekly grocery trip and a little prep time can have you pocketing 80-90% of that though. Not trying to argue that it should be considered income, but there are some of us that essentially do turn it into that.