Let's just say increased number is a hard 35/mo. That means they would have to consistently run 70/mo. A hard number would be great! So if there's a holiday slow down and they run 50, we would be down if we ran 50%. So a hard number would be great for that reason. And let's just say we went back to Eagle numbers, 3100 pilots-200 lifers = 7 years for a new hire to Flow. With current numbers, I think around 2300 pilots - 200 lifers = 5 year Flow for a new hire, add 5 months for no classes in December (which could change as their retirements ramp up) and doesn't that match the 5.5 Flow date that they were advertising for DEC recently? Interesting stuff.

But you're right, for violating the Flow of the current language, we need to be made whole again or some other hard gains.

 

The number I heard was 5 more per month. At first it was just someone in the crew room that heard something and thought it would be 5 more per mo. Then had someone on the jumpseat who seemed to know more and seemed to indicate it would be 5 as well. When I asked if that was with the current group flowing now or is that 5 more for each flow group, he didn't know (I thought that was a pretty important detail). He also indicated that allowing the company to take flight time from lineholding FOs to boost flight time of FOs nearing 1000 hours would be a part of this. I didn't ask for details of this but figured it would be along the lines on the similar provision in the LOE that was rejected last fall.

Now, that is what I've heard and I'm not going to say whether I think that is good or bad because there's not enough details for me have an opinion on it. I do think the company owes the pilot group for violating the flow agreement but I also think reaching a compromised settlement is better than waiting around for a grievance to play out. I don't have much confidence in the union though.

As far as 'fixing flow' then 'fixing pay' goes, I think if they fix flow to a reasonable figure/method, there will be no pay increases because there won't be a need for it.

 

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