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havick206 04-04-2018 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2564745)
Hey everyone! Long time lurker, first time poster. I don’t mean to hijack the thread, but didn’t feel it was necessary to start a completely separate thread for this question.

I’m close to finishing up school and becoming eligible for the cadet program. The top two choices are Envoy and Republic. Mainly for their MIA base. Equipment isn’t as important as QOL since I’m married and volunteer in the community.

Before I get attacked for wanting to come to Envoy and become a cadet, here’s my reasoning. I’d like to be a cadet is because I’d get first pick at equipment (who knows, maybe the 175 will be in MIA by the time I go in for NH class?), MIA base, and it’s nice knowing I don’t have to interview again. Having flow isn’t a bad deal either. Whether 5 year or 10 years, I made peace with being a regional for close to a decade no matter where I go.

Any advice would be great on whether I should commit to the cadet program would be great.

Envoy is not without its faults, however for a new pilot/cadet that wants to eventually be MIA based then Envoy is a good option.

There’s rumors that Envoy will be taking some of republics flying back and putting some of our own 175’s in MIA, in addition to the expansion of 145 flying. These are simply rumors so read into that what you will.

Bigpimppilot 04-04-2018 07:37 AM

Respectfully I think your looking at it all wrong. Bases open and close all the time. Equipment levels also change all the time. Don’t pick an airline you may be at for the rest of your career based on that. Look at the best contract and how management honors their word. If your only criteria for an airline could change next month then you’ll be setting yourself up for disappointment. One last thought. Just like when renting a new apartment or a new housing development make the calculation based on what there is not on a promise of what will be

havick206 04-04-2018 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 2564757)
Respectfully I think your looking at it all wrong. Bases open and close all the time. Equipment levels also change all the time. Don’t pick an airline you may be at for the rest of your career based on that. Look at the best contract and how management honors their word. If your only criteria for an airline could change next month then you’ll be setting yourself up for disappointment. One last thought. Just like when renting a new apartment or a new housing development make the calculation based on what there is not on a promise of what will be

Fact, Envoy is in MIA and expanding and has a shorter time to be based there.

If he wants to drive to work which is pretty much the only common advice on here what other option does he have?

flysooner9 04-04-2018 07:59 AM

Keep in mind today’s bottom regional will likely be tomorrow’s top tier regional. It’s been a common cycle the last few years and I’d expect it to continue.

Wasn’t long ago nobody wanted to go to 9E or Republic.

Bigpimppilot 04-04-2018 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2564760)
Fact, Envoy is in MIA and expanding and has a shorter time to be based there.

If he wants to drive to work which is pretty much the only common advice on here what other option does he have?


My impression is that soflo is married to the location and may only have 200 hrs total time. I’m reminding him that bases and equipment are transitory and that in the next year or 2 anything can happen. May not be a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket and take the money now because who knows what the landscape will look like when he gets into training.

Pedro4President 04-04-2018 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 2564792)
My impression is that soflo is married to the location and may only have 200 hrs total time. I’m reminding him that bases and equipment are transitory and that in the next year or 2 anything can happen. May not be a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket and take the money now because who knows what the landscape will look like when he gets into training.

I'm pretty sure base options are in the top three of reasons why people choose an airline. If you go based off your logic then no regional airline would be good to go to. Every one was talking about how Endeavor was paying the bonuses only to keep people here while they close the doors. RAH was going bankrupt and the TA was going to get gutted. RAH had a 💩 contract when I started here four years ago. Looking forward anything can happen as you stated. However, what is likely to happen? Envoy grows in Miami and RAH shrinks and leaves MIA.

There aren't many times where I think Envoy is not the best option but in this case I think it is or at least one of the top options. Driving to base is fantastic!

Bigpimppilot 04-04-2018 10:51 AM

We will see

SoFloFlyer 04-04-2018 12:31 PM

Thanks for the reply thus far! Driving to work would be the best thing really. The wife does not want to move out of MIA. I tried talking her into moving to NY so my stint at LGA wouldn't be so bad, but she doesn't want to uproot what we have here and I don't blame her.

I'd prefer the 175, but if 145 would get me MIA and thus a decent QOL then I'll do it.

Keep the replies coming, I appreciate it, gents!

havick206 04-04-2018 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2564955)
Thanks for the reply thus far! Driving to work would be the best thing really. The wife does not want to move out of MIA. I tried talking her into moving to NY so my stint at LGA wouldn't be so bad, but she doesn't want to uproot what we have here and I don't blame her.

I'd prefer the 175, but if 145 would get me MIA and thus a decent QOL then I'll do it.

Keep the replies coming, I appreciate it, gents!

Keep in mind it could take anywhere from 3-12 months to actually end up at Miami after you start unless you are awarded it in Indoc which is unlikely so be prepared to commute for a little bit.

Pilotman7700 04-04-2018 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2564632)
This has been rehashed several times. What are the recruiters telling you?

I was told 6 years. Which still seems too high to not at least try to get to a major but at this point I'd be happy staying at Envoy for next 10 years in comparison to how my quality of life has been for the past 10.


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