Commuter Policy
05-27-2018, 02:02 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by in2deep
Ive got a good scenario.
Lets say you have a trip starting at 10am the next day and theres 1 flight that same day that gets you there before then. Theoretically if you try the last flight out the night before and that bangs, and that morning flight also bangs, would you still say thats 2 attempts? After all the contract only says 2 attempts that get you there before sign in time.
Lets say you have a trip starting at 10am the next day and theres 1 flight that same day that gets you there before then. Theoretically if you try the last flight out the night before and that bangs, and that morning flight also bangs, would you still say thats 2 attempts? After all the contract only says 2 attempts that get you there before sign in time.
05-27-2018, 04:18 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by in2deep
Ive got a good scenario.
Lets say you have a trip starting at 10am the next day and theres 1 flight that same day that gets you there before then. Theoretically if you try the last flight out the night before and that bangs, and that morning flight also bangs, would you still say thats 2 attempts? After all the contract only says 2 attempts that get you there before sign in time.
Lets say you have a trip starting at 10am the next day and theres 1 flight that same day that gets you there before then. Theoretically if you try the last flight out the night before and that bangs, and that morning flight also bangs, would you still say thats 2 attempts? After all the contract only says 2 attempts that get you there before sign in time.
05-27-2018, 07:29 PM
#23
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DO NOT EXPECT A COMMUTER POLICY ON A TWO LEG COMMUTE FOR ANY REASON!!!!!!
I speak from experience. I had a two leg commute for a long time. I used to plan myself two flights to the intermediate then two to base. I had to commute in the day before constantly. One time I had a 7:30a sign in. I needing two flights left the day prior at like 10a. Got to the intermediate. Missed my first flight that was at like 2p. Flight at 4p cancelled. Flight at 6p was delayed until 8p. Couldn’t get on that one either. Called crew scheduling and they removed me from my flights the next day. Now I don’t have to sign in until the next day at like 12p.
I decide that since I’m stuck inbetween and I don’t have a sign in until 12p a day and half away. I will head home. Flight home was at 11p. There was however another flight leaving to my base at 10p. Got in around 1230a. I figured it’d be better to go home and rest than rather fly in and show up with at most 5 or so hrs of rest.
I made it home. Left the next morning at 10a again. Got to base with no issues. Picked up my line at 12p the next day. And finished those three days.
I was given a MA and a step one letter for not taking the third flight, since it would have arrived before my shift. I said, I would have been asked to sign in with 5 hours of rest. I would have been fatigued. They say, you don’t know that you would been fatigued. Plus FAR 117 doesn’t count towards commuting. I say I know this, but it would have been an unsafe situation. They say, we would have decided that in the morning. I said, I was removed from my flying per the contract. So there was no flying to commute in for. They said I didn’t make a good faith attempt. I said I picked up my flying, that should be a late report at best, since a MA means I missed the whole assignment. They say shove it bro.
The step one letter even say I made two attempts.BS if you ask me. Whatever though. I disputed it and the union said oh we got this. Then the called again and said, should be a late report bro no worries. Calls again, hey man your should get a counseling no biggie. Calls again, bro you are getting a MA. Calls again and says hey buddy, you getting a step one letter. It’s okay though, it’ll be off your record in two years. Psh.
Long story short. Two leg commute? Quit.
Ironically I came here specifically because the only bases we had were Dfw and ord. Both of which were easy commutes. Show up to class and “hey guys, we just opened Lga. So lets bid for bases.” Show us the whiteboard. 40 LGA 145.
I speak from experience. I had a two leg commute for a long time. I used to plan myself two flights to the intermediate then two to base. I had to commute in the day before constantly. One time I had a 7:30a sign in. I needing two flights left the day prior at like 10a. Got to the intermediate. Missed my first flight that was at like 2p. Flight at 4p cancelled. Flight at 6p was delayed until 8p. Couldn’t get on that one either. Called crew scheduling and they removed me from my flights the next day. Now I don’t have to sign in until the next day at like 12p.
I decide that since I’m stuck inbetween and I don’t have a sign in until 12p a day and half away. I will head home. Flight home was at 11p. There was however another flight leaving to my base at 10p. Got in around 1230a. I figured it’d be better to go home and rest than rather fly in and show up with at most 5 or so hrs of rest.
I made it home. Left the next morning at 10a again. Got to base with no issues. Picked up my line at 12p the next day. And finished those three days.
I was given a MA and a step one letter for not taking the third flight, since it would have arrived before my shift. I said, I would have been asked to sign in with 5 hours of rest. I would have been fatigued. They say, you don’t know that you would been fatigued. Plus FAR 117 doesn’t count towards commuting. I say I know this, but it would have been an unsafe situation. They say, we would have decided that in the morning. I said, I was removed from my flying per the contract. So there was no flying to commute in for. They said I didn’t make a good faith attempt. I said I picked up my flying, that should be a late report at best, since a MA means I missed the whole assignment. They say shove it bro.
The step one letter even say I made two attempts.BS if you ask me. Whatever though. I disputed it and the union said oh we got this. Then the called again and said, should be a late report bro no worries. Calls again, hey man your should get a counseling no biggie. Calls again, bro you are getting a MA. Calls again and says hey buddy, you getting a step one letter. It’s okay though, it’ll be off your record in two years. Psh.
Long story short. Two leg commute? Quit.
Ironically I came here specifically because the only bases we had were Dfw and ord. Both of which were easy commutes. Show up to class and “hey guys, we just opened Lga. So lets bid for bases.” Show us the whiteboard. 40 LGA 145.
05-28-2018, 02:17 AM
#24
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I guess I can see the company's perspective KINDA but wow, that's an awful story fatman. Two attempts are two attempts. Where's the obligation to make a third attempt to commute to a fatigue call?
Did that MA come from the current LGA CP?
Did that MA come from the current LGA CP?
05-28-2018, 06:34 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by fatman
DO NOT EXPECT A COMMUTER POLICY ON A TWO LEG COMMUTE FOR ANY REASON!!!!!!
I speak from experience. I had a two leg commute for a long time. I used to plan myself two flights to the intermediate then two to base. I had to commute in the day before constantly. One time I had a 7:30a sign in. I needing two flights left the day prior at like 10a. Got to the intermediate. Missed my first flight that was at like 2p. Flight at 4p cancelled. Flight at 6p was delayed until 8p. Couldn’t get on that one either. Called crew scheduling and they removed me from my flights the next day. Now I don’t have to sign in until the next day at like 12p.
I decide that since I’m stuck inbetween and I don’t have a sign in until 12p a day and half away. I will head home. Flight home was at 11p. There was however another flight leaving to my base at 10p. Got in around 1230a. I figured it’d be better to go home and rest than rather fly in and show up with at most 5 or so hrs of rest.
I made it home. Left the next morning at 10a again. Got to base with no issues. Picked up my line at 12p the next day. And finished those three days.
I was given a MA and a step one letter for not taking the third flight, since it would have arrived before my shift. I said, I would have been asked to sign in with 5 hours of rest. I would have been fatigued. They say, you don’t know that you would been fatigued. Plus FAR 117 doesn’t count towards commuting. I say I know this, but it would have been an unsafe situation. They say, we would have decided that in the morning. I said, I was removed from my flying per the contract. So there was no flying to commute in for. They said I didn’t make a good faith attempt. I said I picked up my flying, that should be a late report at best, since a MA means I missed the whole assignment. They say shove it bro.
The step one letter even say I made two attempts.BS if you ask me. Whatever though. I disputed it and the union said oh we got this. Then the called again and said, should be a late report bro no worries. Calls again, hey man your should get a counseling no biggie. Calls again, bro you are getting a MA. Calls again and says hey buddy, you getting a step one letter. It’s okay though, it’ll be off your record in two years. Psh.
Long story short. Two leg commute? Quit.
Ironically I came here specifically because the only bases we had were Dfw and ord. Both of which were easy commutes. Show up to class and “hey guys, we just opened Lga. So lets bid for bases.” Show us the whiteboard. 40 LGA 145.
I speak from experience. I had a two leg commute for a long time. I used to plan myself two flights to the intermediate then two to base. I had to commute in the day before constantly. One time I had a 7:30a sign in. I needing two flights left the day prior at like 10a. Got to the intermediate. Missed my first flight that was at like 2p. Flight at 4p cancelled. Flight at 6p was delayed until 8p. Couldn’t get on that one either. Called crew scheduling and they removed me from my flights the next day. Now I don’t have to sign in until the next day at like 12p.
I decide that since I’m stuck inbetween and I don’t have a sign in until 12p a day and half away. I will head home. Flight home was at 11p. There was however another flight leaving to my base at 10p. Got in around 1230a. I figured it’d be better to go home and rest than rather fly in and show up with at most 5 or so hrs of rest.
I made it home. Left the next morning at 10a again. Got to base with no issues. Picked up my line at 12p the next day. And finished those three days.
I was given a MA and a step one letter for not taking the third flight, since it would have arrived before my shift. I said, I would have been asked to sign in with 5 hours of rest. I would have been fatigued. They say, you don’t know that you would been fatigued. Plus FAR 117 doesn’t count towards commuting. I say I know this, but it would have been an unsafe situation. They say, we would have decided that in the morning. I said, I was removed from my flying per the contract. So there was no flying to commute in for. They said I didn’t make a good faith attempt. I said I picked up my flying, that should be a late report at best, since a MA means I missed the whole assignment. They say shove it bro.
The step one letter even say I made two attempts.BS if you ask me. Whatever though. I disputed it and the union said oh we got this. Then the called again and said, should be a late report bro no worries. Calls again, hey man your should get a counseling no biggie. Calls again, bro you are getting a MA. Calls again and says hey buddy, you getting a step one letter. It’s okay though, it’ll be off your record in two years. Psh.
Long story short. Two leg commute? Quit.
Ironically I came here specifically because the only bases we had were Dfw and ord. Both of which were easy commutes. Show up to class and “hey guys, we just opened Lga. So lets bid for bases.” Show us the whiteboard. 40 LGA 145.
05-28-2018, 01:41 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
The commuter clause is two attempts to get to work and you are protected from disciplinary action while still attempting to get to work. Not two attempts and then go home and come back a day and a half later.
05-28-2018, 02:45 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Well, that's NOT what the contract says. Two attempts, Good faith. Sounds like management thought he made two attempts but didn't make a good faith effort. IF the story told is true as is (no pertinent missing details), it sounds like good faith effort to me.
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