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Whiskey4 06-17-2018 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2616225)
That’s just a crock of crap. I did almost a year as a new hire in LGA, two leg commuted much of the time and never used a commuter clause. NYC will always be the turnover base for airlines because people don’t want to be there, but it’s not that bad.

Agreed. NY may not be somebody’s first choice of base, but I definitely wouldn’t avoid Envoy altogether simply because you might have to spend a few months in the Big Apple.

havick206 06-17-2018 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Whiskey4 (Post 2616234)
Agreed. NY may not be somebody’s first choice of base, but I definitely wouldn’t avoid Envoy altogether simply because you might have to spend a few months in the Big Apple.

I live near base, and NY has been great for me.

One persons trash is another persons treasure.

llws 06-17-2018 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by KodiakRS (Post 2615385)
Flow is still based on overall company seniority.

Having said that there may be some merit to what you heard. Voluntary CA upgrades are subject to a 1 year seat lock which will prevent flow. If someone wants to upgrade but thinks the seat lock may delay their flow waiting to upgrade on the 175 vs taking a 145 upgrade that's available now could make a difference.

What is this "waiting to upgrade" you speak of?

pitchattitude 06-17-2018 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by RUkidding (Post 2616181)
Any chance of a newbie getting ORD based after training?

You might consider the CRJ as well.

RUkidding 06-17-2018 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2616334)
You might consider the CRJ as well.

Thanks!! I’m excited to hear this as I’m already typed in it!

TransWorld 06-18-2018 05:21 AM

What is the DOH for the most recent flows?

I know first of the year a 2006 hire flowed. However, there are relatively few hires that year and the next few years.

Pat2389 06-18-2018 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2616267)
I live near base, and NY has been great for me.

One persons trash is another persons treasure.


Hey Havick, I recently moved from Dallas to the suburbs of PHL. (Wife is from here) 2-3 hour drive to LGA depending on the time of day. Would love to hear how LGA 145 is (lines, overnights, flying etc) from somebody who actually wants to be there. Thanks!

pitchattitude 06-18-2018 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by llws (Post 2616331)
What is this "waiting to upgrade" you speak of?

Probably referring to the upcoming standing bid they will have for, most likely, 145 LGA. That will allow someone to voluntarily upgrade without waiting for the next bid. That will be a two year seat lock. That being said, I seriously doubt there is ANYONE who is within a timeframe that is affected by the flow seatlock that hasn’t already upgraded. Could be an issue if someone was already a captain in CRJ or 145 and wanted to fly the 175 their last year at Envoy.

havick206 06-18-2018 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Pat2389 (Post 2616750)
Hey Havick, I recently moved from Dallas to the suburbs of PHL. (Wife is from here) 2-3 hour drive to LGA depending on the time of day. Would love to hear how LGA 145 is (lines, overnights, flying etc) from somebody who actually wants to be there. Thanks!

PM me if you want

3EngineTaxi 06-19-2018 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 2616532)
What is the DOH for the most recent flows?

I know first of the year a 2006 hire flowed. However, there are relatively few hires that year and the next few years.

Most recent were March 2007, possibly into April 2007 by now.

FYI, there are still 167 pilots from 2007 waiting to flow, 113 from 2008, 0 from 2009, 86 from 2010, 237 from 2011. You and I probably have different understandings of the meaning of "relatively few."

However, there are indeed relatively few from the several years after 2011:

5 from 2012
67 from 2013
57 from 2014
75 from 2015.

Hiring really increased near the end of 2016, and 2017 was a huge year.

(All numbers are approximate.)


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