NoValueAviator

There's a cold war on between PSA's pilot group and Envoy's. I hear a new story about someone (either side) being denied a jumpseat out of spite every week in NY.

The only PSA pilot I've ever interacted with directly was a bit of a tool but well-meaning. Loved talking about how his minority status meant AA would be calling any day.

TheNotoriousPIC

That's ridiculous. Why should feuds between high ups in either company affect the pilots who try to do their jobs well within those companies?

EmbaeDriver

PSA suck.

PSA = Pretty ****ty Airline

moon

It wasn't the "higher ups" in the company. it was AA approaching their pilot group with a concessionary contract shortly after we voted no on a similar concessionary contract and them overwhelmingly voting yes. Causing AA to announce that they were sending all our CRJs to PSA. Then when they had trouble staffing their union said they should be able to take our pilots too to staff their airline. Their pilot groups actions had a direct negative effect on the lives and livelihood of Envoy pilots. This also led to Piedmont being forced to accept a subpar contract and then Envoy having our current contract forced upon us or face "Comair II" as the companies negotiator put it.

Current PSA pilots will claim it wasn't their fault because they didn't vote on it. But they voted with their feet when they joined that operation and are still responsible in my and many Envoy pilots' eyes.

uavking

^^This

(Denying jumpseats to other ALPA members as other suggest is a bridge too far, though. Cheapens the true meaning of scab and how they ought to be treated.)

TheNotoriousPIC

You say "voted with their feet when they joined" but to be honest I would have joined up without ever hearing of this, and I'm sure that that is true for the majority of new PSA pilots. I know a few guys that went there recently, they were just chasing a nice bonus and a flow to AA. They had no personal spite toward Envoy.

moon

At the time it was pretty clear what was going on. If someone doesn't do their research on the company they join that ignorance is on them.

BigZ

Feuds like this are shortsighted. Guess what keeping a cold war like that is going will do should a similar situation arise in the future? Promote unity or "those guys are a-holes, screw them" attitude?

uavking

The airline business is always shifting, especially in this game of regional whipsaw, but it’s important to know the outlines of our collective history. Management preys on ignorance of this past.

moon

Personally they stagnated my career 3 years. That's money lost. Time at home gone. Do I blame the people going there now? No. But those hired in Late 13 and 2014 knew exactly what they were doing and who they were screwing and I don't think that should be forgotten.