It’ll be more like Nov 2016 to Apr 2017 will be the bulk of the upgrades for this vacancy that’s scheduled to close 06-OCT.
I say that because the majority of Oct 2016 hires upgraded on the last vacancy and some are on the line already (CRJ/EMJ) although, there are those that bid 175 that haven’t even started upgrade training to date either.

There are some outliers, those that were on military leave, family leave and are just getting closer to their time for upgrade.


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There are additional outliers with even later hire dates that have “other qualifying time” such as military, 135 or 121 time not at the company but didn’t qualify as DEC. Those are the numbers that are difficult to guess.

So, we have a bid that closes in two days and nothing from the union...

Last bid they sent out a bunch of information. Nothing has changed since then. That’s all available on the ALPA site in the e-library

They usually send out guidance the day before.

What would you like to hear or see specifically? Remember you can always contact the LEC/MEC directly alternatively, you can talk to one of P2P’s (red ID backer/red lanyard).
As stated above, the union did put out some guidance the last go around, nothing has changed and these vacancies will continue to post until the company needs are met.

Our friends on frequency here would be happy to provide guidance as well [emoji4]


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As the other guys have said, nothing is new with this bid versus the previous. What do you need to know?

I guess if there is nothing new to add, then there is nothing else to know.

Trying to game my strategy for base vs aircraft. I am relatively junior at the company for my time and don’t want to get stuck.

What the company does (or doesn’t do) with backfills can really alter the outcome of this, considering what has been thought to be junior domiciles. This vacancy doesn’t seem to support that.

First and foremost, do ensure that your 3D preferences are completely filled in the order you’d like to be displaced.
Don’t assume you can’t get something as there are people with none or not enough preferences set identified as “NEB” on the Flow Plan.
Your seniority dictates a lot, nothing you can change there. So, do your part and keep your fingers crossed.

As you know, if you have the time they will find you, so choose your battles.


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Main thing is only bid something you want. Ensure you have displacement preferences you can live with.

The ones who screw themselves leave their 3D blank or preference something they don’t necessarily want.

Are you going to be FO to CA on this bid? If you're trying to figure out your best possible strategy, reach out to your rep and have a conversation with them. Bounce your goals off of them and see what they recommend. But the reality is, if you're a junior guy there's only so much strategizing you can do. Depending on just how jr you are and what your preferences are, you may just end up with the leftover scraps. And you're right, the backfills can really change the overall outcome. Not to mention, the downstream displacements that can occur when a sr guy gets displaced into a status ahead of a jr guy in said status. It's a mess these days with this forced upgrade fiasco.

Yes, FO going to CA. MY 3D is filled with what I want as well as what I should be able to hold based on current seniority. NO 3P. And no RF 100 to profer for a displacement.

I guess the union can’t give information they don’t have, but like I said initially, the vacancies don’t seem to support the manning.

Can the company create a standing bid with vacancies from a backfill?

My understanding was there had to be a standing vacancy for DECs or is that going away?

Is there a way to check if you have an active rf 100 proffer to displace?

They sent out a vacancy guide today. It's a long one. It with alot if good information.

By the MEC email, the standing vacancy will be comprised of this bid's leftovers

Here's the trick question - does that mean
DFW CA – E145
ORD CA – E145
DFW CA – E175
(If there are leftovers) for DECs and FOs willing to partake in the standing vacancy, or will the list also include spots vacated by the captains bidding off of equipment/base?

I guess the question is whether to profer to displace or not.

Advantages and disadvantages.

There will be no 175s left, almost guaranteed.

Agree. Hypothetically speaking though, how many FOs ready to upgrade do we have? How many of them want DFW?
We have
20 DFW CA – E145
40 ORD CA – E145
50 DFW CA – E175

30% goes to the current CAs, so 35 DFW 175 slots remaining. Some upgrades will want to stay in ord even if it means 145, some will backfill LGA transfers. We'll see in a week or so I guess

Based on the last several bids, I would think there are 100+. The company knows how many are eligible and I don’t think they plan to leave anyone behind.

If there are quite a few on the 145 that want 175 and those already on the 175 in ORD trying to get to DFW, that will leave a lot of backfills. And again, IMHO, everyone eligible will be snagged.

Cant tell you how many are eligible for sure, but there are 48 senior to me with the time. I agree there will be those that stay in their airframe for an easier upgrade, but it will be interesting to see if they actually allow the backfills(they usually do even though they say they wont).

I hope there are robust FO back fills in NY. It seems ORD is the new unwanted 145 FO graveyard...

What do you mean by that?

Backfill = vacancy created by another pilot bidding into a different status that is listed in the vacancy.

Unwanted FO graveyard/dumpster = status given to new hire pilots for whom no operational need currently exists or is anticipated. Something Envoy sometimes does with the 145 for some reason, leading to 70+ man reserve lists. Inferior bases and equipment, much longer reserve times.

Ahhhh!! So youre basically say that QOL is gonna suck for quite a while if im a new hire 145/ORD

With the vacancy bid now closed...

https://pics.onsizzle.com/may-the-od...r-17625208.png

It’s all over but the crying...

When is bid gonna be run and results posted?

I put in for NCL and it took it. I am 🤞🤞🤞 I get the award.

I put in for LAX 175, took that too.

-Keep the dirty side down

A prelim bid is scheduled to run 09OCT. The bid can be run anytime after 06OCT 1500hrs, they’ve indicated we will see final bid results by 13OCT.


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Does that mean we start getting captain pay on the 14th?

Another question, probably dumb, does that include captain pay for OT?

Standing Vacancy
 

For captain pay, it is immediately upon being awarded a Captain status, which occurs when the Final Bid award is released.

For OT flown on or after your award date, yes CA pay rates apply.


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I don’t know about you, but that to me is the gem in the pudding pop.


If your an FO with some seniority, while awaiting on your CA training class date. Enjoy your seniority, choice of OT pickings, days off, and overall QOL. If displaced, you can really make a killing with OT pay, until upgrade, enjoy the holidays coming on CA pay.

Affirmative. You’re spot on. There are FOs displaced in the July vacancy and won’t start LT till mid Nov, they’ve enjoyed a sweet ride each month on RSV + picking up OT.

As said before it’s the best of times but can be worst of times. Everyone’s situation is different.

Living in base, this will be an ideal scenario to capitalize on[emoji383]


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And this is why no one should be vacancy bidding to captain right now. Displaced are last into training which means a longer term as a senior FO on captain pay.

Of course, if you're senior to me, I recommend vacancy bidding. ;-)

I agree, this is one more reason to just have a displacement list. No preference or proffer. Since we start getting paid now with the award, no reason to try to get to training sooner, unless you just really want to start logging the PIC time. But that will get you to the bottom of the reserve list sooner as well.

I’m going to try and optimize my schedule and pay until then.

And bottom of the reserve list doesn't really get you more PIC time either.

Well... I guess it gets you some. Probably not in a resume building kind of way though.

I would be VERY happy if I could get displaced to the captain position of my choice and hit the line JUST senior enough to hold a line. I don't have the time to upgrade on this bid but will when they run the next one. Hopefully they'll still be displacing every qualified FO then.

Prelim vacancy bid is out!

New standing vacancy posted: OCC and OCE.

Options...... who said this wasn’t the best regional to be at!


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