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Whiskey4 08-15-2018 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2655735)
They don’t tell us anything in indoc, the pilots in question probably don’t know.

But they can read, write, speak, and understand English, right? There’s a published travel guide on the company site. You don’t need an instructor for everything.

highfarfast 08-15-2018 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by nimslow (Post 2655779)
Unless things have changed recently, the company won't see it that way. They don't have any sense of humor about travel abuse, and over the years at Eagle and AA, I've known several people who have had their travel privileges suspended.

The company monitors for multiple listings, and now we hear no show bookings (list/check in for early flight, no show but get rolled over to later flight, with original check in time). Playing non-rev games isn't a good idea.

I'll continue to try and talk to anyone who is doing stuff like that. Do you guys have pilot mentors for the new hires? That might be something they can address.

I wasn’t trying to say that the company would forgive it, that’s why I said don’t take it to the company.

Destroyer 08-15-2018 03:13 PM

I've noticed the same thing on multiple occasions by the same person. They are screwing themselfs when it comes to rolling over to the next flight and everyone behind them. I just haven't been lucky enough to run into the individual yet to talk to them and let them know. If agree with going to the union first and eventually management if needed but pulling them to the side and educating them first may be a better answer. On a side note the D2 to D1 switch at the last minute and taking the JS is getting really old guys....

NoValueAviator 08-15-2018 03:43 PM

To me, the breakdown in A12 positive space travel affecting NY pilots is a much bigger issue, but no one seems to care about that. Or NY pilots. So it goes.

wiz5422 08-15-2018 03:48 PM

Why aren't we able to reserve the jump sest in advance on our metal like AA?

Ijustlikeflying 08-15-2018 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 2655837)
I've noticed the same thing on multiple occasions by the same person. They are screwing themselfs when it comes to rolling over to the next flight and everyone behind them. I just haven't been lucky enough to run into the individual yet to talk to them and let them know. If agree with going to the union first and eventually management if needed but pulling them to the side and educating them first may be a better answer. On a side note the D2 to D1 switch at the last minute and taking the JS is getting really old guys....


There’s nothing that says you can’t do that. You get six. Use them wisely. If someone uses one to get home for something etc. that’s their own business and that’s the name of the game.

nimslow 08-15-2018 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2655853)
Why aren't we able to reserve the jump sest in advance on our metal like AA?


That's a whole other discussion about abuse of privileges there. It's an ok system, but it needs major improvement.

Name User 08-15-2018 05:31 PM

I ran into another WO'd guy doing this. I did say something. He was very defensive and gave a BS reason "I'm just trying to commute". Yeah, so are we all. I'm sure he's at AA now probably still doing the same thing but with the jumpseat. I ran into him a few times afterward and he made it like I was the bad guy for even saying something.

HobGoblin 08-15-2018 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2655774)
Pro standards is the union.

Yep.

It’s like nobody knows who or what pro standards is or does.

LineUpAndPay 08-15-2018 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2655850)
To me, the breakdown in A12 positive space travel affecting NY pilots is a much bigger issue, but no one seems to care about that. Or NY pilots. So it goes.

What's going on with this situation? I don't know much about what's going on out there.


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