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EmbaeDriver 08-15-2018 08:53 PM

Just report them

nimslow 08-16-2018 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2655910)
I ran into another WO'd guy doing this. I did say something. He was very defensive and gave a BS reason "I'm just trying to commute". Yeah, so are we all. I'm sure he's at AA now probably still doing the same thing but with the jumpseat. I ran into him a few times afterward and he made it like I was the bad guy for even saying something.

With the attitude, I’d just turn them to employee travel, and let them deal with it.

We have a huge problem with Jumpseat reservation system. People making multiple reservations, and not canceling when they don’t intend to show up. I was told the new flows are the biggest offenders. Hopefully it will change when the web based reservation system happens.

NoValueAviator 08-16-2018 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by HobGoblin (Post 2655931)
Yep.

It’s like nobody knows who or what pro standards is or does.

Well, resources like that are less useful when your first impulse is to talk and give your fellow pilot a chance. Then again, some guys are so scared to talk to people they won’t order a pizza over the phone, so I can see why dropping a dime over email would appeal to them.


Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay (Post 2655954)
What's going on with this situation? I don't know much about what's going on out there.

Not sure what the scope of the issue is, but since earlier this month many NY pilots I’ve talked to can no longer utilize A12 listings. A listing is sent to RES but you can’t retrieve the PNR for check in and are not given a seat or placed on the priority list. This is the case regardless of whether the listing is made by you or by crew scheduling.

E175 Driver 08-16-2018 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by nimslow (Post 2655779)
Unless things have changed recently, the company won't see it that way. They don't have any sense of humor about travel abuse, and over the years at Eagle and AA, I've known several people who have had their travel privileges suspended.

The company monitors for multiple listings, and now we hear no show bookings (list/check in for early flight, no show but get rolled over to later flight, with original check in time). Playing non-rev games isn't a good idea.

I'll continue to try and talk to anyone who is doing stuff like that. Do you guys have pilot mentors for the new hires? That might be something they can address.

Yes, Swayne is in charge of it.

in2deep 08-16-2018 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by nimslow (Post 2655779)
Uno show bookings (list/check in for early flight, no show but get rolled over to later flight, with original check in time). Playing non-rev games isn't a good idea.

Don’t they just remove you if you no show with seats available? I usually list for AA as a second option when going to work, but typically end up on another airline as my first option and no show AA. Never have I seen myself rolled over.

ParkingatMIA 08-17-2018 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by in2deep (Post 2656450)
Don’t they just remove you if you no show with seats available? I usually list for AA as a second option when going to work, but typically end up on another airline as my first option and no show AA. Never have I seen myself rolled over.

Just cancel your listing while walking down the jet bridge to you seat. It takes a whole 30 seconds

NoValueAviator 08-17-2018 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by in2deep (Post 2656450)
Don’t they just remove you if you no show with seats available? I usually list for AA as a second option when going to work, but typically end up on another airline as my first option and no show AA. Never have I seen myself rolled over.

Yes, you are correct. They will simply remove you. The scenario imagined where someone lists for an earlier flight, no-shows, then drops in front of the D2s for a later flight with their earlier check-in time is in the imagination of the people complaining about it. The only way this might happen is if you run up to the gate before the agents leave but after the flight closes and tell a good story, not exactly a no-show.

Where it is an inconvenience for others is in planning around the first flight, since they may assume the jumpseat is not available and try a different flight with a similar departure time that is otherwise a worse chance, so as a courtesy it is best to knock out your unneeded listings when you get on.

highfarfast 08-17-2018 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2656835)
Yes, you are correct. They will simply remove you. The scenario imagined where someone lists for an earlier flight, no-shows, then drops in front of the D2s for a later flight with their earlier check-in time is in the imagination of the people complaining about it. The only way this might happen is if you run up to the gate before the agents leave but after the flight closes and tell a good story.

Actually, you can get any gate agent to do it, not just the one working the flight. There are legitimate reasons to have a gate agent change your itinerary but I could see how someone could abuse it too.

NoValueAviator 08-17-2018 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2656839)
Actually, you can get any gate agent to do it, not just the one working the flight. There are legitimate reasons to have a gate agent change your itinerary but I could see how someone could abuse it too.

From what I understand they aren't supposed to and I've been told NO after getting randomly selected for extra love by TSA and missing a flight.

Maybe just a nasty agent though idk.

in2deep 08-17-2018 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2656835)
Yes, you are correct. They will simply remove you. The scenario imagined where someone lists for an earlier flight, no-shows, then drops in front of the D2s for a later flight with their earlier check-in time is in the imagination of the people complaining about it. The only way this might happen is if you run up to the gate before the agents leave but after the flight closes and tell a good story, not exactly a no-show.

Where it is an inconvenience for others is in planning around the first flight, since they may assume the jumpseat is not available and try a different flight with a similar departure time that is otherwise a worse chance, so as a courtesy it is best to knock out your unneeded listings when you get on.

I try to remove my AA listing once we push from the gate. Especially on other airlines, getting booted is a real possibility.

Not trying a flight simply because there is a JS ahead of you is their own fault. I got on a flight the other day simply because the JS ahead of me no showed.


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