So You Want To Fly For Envoy?
08-25-2018, 08:48 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
My class date is relatively soon. I know I’m new and the cupcake phase will end but my thought process about all of the regionals is which one has a better offer if you were stuck there for 10 years. I’ve read the contracts of Envoy, Endeavor, Republic and Skywest.
Yeah our contract isn’t the best but it will be updated eventually when it expires in a few years even with that being said for how outdated our contract is I still think it’s the 3rd best one out there.
I do appreciate posts like yours to give new guys further insight, it’s very thoughtful and is the point of posting on APC. With that being said, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. I’ve seen some negative posts even from Endeavor guys even though they are the top regional to be at right now. Again I know it’s to vent but it’s just like, sad to see after working hard to reach minimums only to hear the guys I look up to bash their company...
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Yeah our contract isn’t the best but it will be updated eventually when it expires in a few years even with that being said for how outdated our contract is I still think it’s the 3rd best one out there.
I do appreciate posts like yours to give new guys further insight, it’s very thoughtful and is the point of posting on APC. With that being said, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. I’ve seen some negative posts even from Endeavor guys even though they are the top regional to be at right now. Again I know it’s to vent but it’s just like, sad to see after working hard to reach minimums only to hear the guys I look up to bash their company...
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Anyone else find that funny??
08-25-2018, 09:34 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by jonrayburn
“My class date is relatively soon”... “our contract”... “read the contracts of...”
Anyone else find that funny??
Anyone else find that funny??
Lots of dhd’s lately to other bases to cover trips then back. Im a july 2017 FO and I cant even hold a line in dfw.
08-26-2018, 02:17 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by jonrayburn
“My class date is relatively soon”... “our contract”... “read the contracts of...”
Anyone else find that funny??
Anyone else find that funny??
I say relatively soon so I don’t get pegged to a certain date when guys who don’t agree with me can find out who I am and make my life miserable (which will happen anywhere).
As for reading the contracts yeah it’s amazing how much free time you have when you’re taking a dump you can get a lot of good reading in to pass the time! I’m not saying I’m a know at all but just a perspective of why new some new hires keep showing up, which is kinda bad I know cause we need less new hires so Envoy realizes we need to raise pay, better reserve rules, etc.
idk what the solution is to that cause it’s still a regional to work for that is pretty solid.
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08-26-2018, 02:29 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
I say relatively soon so I don’t get pegged to a certain date when guys who don’t agree with me can find out who I am and make my life miserable (which will happen anywhere).
As for reading the contracts yeah it’s amazing how much free time you have when you’re taking a dump you can get a lot of good reading in to pass the time! I’m not saying I’m a know at all but just a perspective of why new some new hires keep showing up, which is kinda bad I know cause we need less new hires so Envoy realizes we need to raise pay, better reserve rules, etc.
idk what the solution is to that cause it’s still a regional to work for that is pretty solid.
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As for reading the contracts yeah it’s amazing how much free time you have when you’re taking a dump you can get a lot of good reading in to pass the time! I’m not saying I’m a know at all but just a perspective of why new some new hires keep showing up, which is kinda bad I know cause we need less new hires so Envoy realizes we need to raise pay, better reserve rules, etc.
idk what the solution is to that cause it’s still a regional to work for that is pretty solid.
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08-26-2018, 05:47 AM
#35
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Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 239
Originally Posted by in2deep
My question is...how did you get access to our contract?
Or, ask a current Pilot for a copy. It’s not a top secret document.
08-26-2018, 06:04 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: FO
Posts: 793
So You Want To Fly For Envoy?
Originally Posted by in2deep
My question is...how did you get access to our contract?
It’s Sunday, relax.
“Our” contract is not a secret document written by hooded scribes on a sealed papyrus. AAG is a publicly traded airline. We are not in Moscow and this is not the Kremlin intimidation tactics school.
It’s advise-able to read the contract before stepping foot onto any property for a potential career. The person did research utilizing all available resources, and that is great on his/her part. It should be sent to all NH with a CJO if you ask me.
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08-26-2018, 06:17 AM
#37
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Posts: 178
Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
My class date is relatively soon. I know I’m new and the cupcake phase will end but my thought process about all of the regionals is which one has a better offer if you were stuck there for 10 years. I’ve read the contracts of Envoy, Endeavor, Republic and Skywest.
Yeah our contract isn’t the best but it will be updated eventually when it expires in a few years even with that being said for how outdated our contract is I still think it’s the 3rd best one out there.
I do appreciate posts like yours to give new guys further insight, it’s very thoughtful and is the point of posting on APC. With that being said, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. I’ve seen some negative posts even from Endeavor guys even though they are the top regional to be at right now. Again I know it’s to vent but it’s just like, sad to see after working hard to reach minimums only to hear the guys I look up to bash their company...
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Yeah our contract isn’t the best but it will be updated eventually when it expires in a few years even with that being said for how outdated our contract is I still think it’s the 3rd best one out there.
I do appreciate posts like yours to give new guys further insight, it’s very thoughtful and is the point of posting on APC. With that being said, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. I’ve seen some negative posts even from Endeavor guys even though they are the top regional to be at right now. Again I know it’s to vent but it’s just like, sad to see after working hard to reach minimums only to hear the guys I look up to bash their company...
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Every one has their reason...
This one just doesn’t sound like a good one.
If you think reading this stuff is sad to see, you’re going to have a long career. Or a very short one.
08-26-2018, 06:23 AM
#38
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Posts: 467
Originally Posted by 402FreightDog
You think Envoy’s contract is the third best and that people coming to Envoy hurt the chances of getting a better contract, but you are still coming to Envoy because you want to be somewhere you could stay.
Every one has their reason...
This one just doesn’t sound like a good one.
Every one has their reason...
This one just doesn’t sound like a good one.
So me wanting to go to an airline to stay in the long term isn’t a good reason? I thought the saying goes “pick a regional where you could get stuck at for 10 years”
My approach to picking a regional is long term. I could go somewhere with the better contract but as well all know this industry changes very rapidly. I think the AA wholly-owned’s are attracting the long term type thinkers. But that could change as well.
So out of curiosity, why is my reason not a good one?
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08-26-2018, 06:25 AM
#39
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Posts: 467
Originally Posted by SilentLurker
It’s Sunday, relax.
“Our” contract is not a secret document written by hooded scribes on a sealed papyrus. AAG is a publicly traded airline. We are not in Moscow and this is not the Kremlin intimidation tactics school.
It’s advise-able to read the contract before stepping foot onto any property for a potential career. The person did research utilizing all available resources, and that is great on his/her part. It should be sent to all NH with a CJO if you ask me.
“Our” contract is not a secret document written by hooded scribes on a sealed papyrus. AAG is a publicly traded airline. We are not in Moscow and this is not the Kremlin intimidation tactics school.
It’s advise-able to read the contract before stepping foot onto any property for a potential career. The person did research utilizing all available resources, and that is great on his/her part. It should be sent to all NH with a CJO if you ask me.
Thank you!
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08-26-2018, 06:27 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
So me wanting to go to an airline to stay in the long term isn’t a good reason? I thought the saying goes “pick a regional where you could get stuck at for 10 years”
My approach to picking a regional is long term. I could go somewhere with the better contract but as well all know this industry changes very rapidly. I think the AA wholly-owned’s are attracting the long term type thinkers. But that could change as well.
So out of curiosity, why is my reason not a good one?
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My approach to picking a regional is long term. I could go somewhere with the better contract but as well all know this industry changes very rapidly. I think the AA wholly-owned’s are attracting the long term type thinkers. But that could change as well.
So out of curiosity, why is my reason not a good one?
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