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moon 02-02-2019 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2755429)
No it didn't.

You weren't on property to begin with on 12/10/18 when the email went out I'm pretty sure. It was 4.5 years after double checking. Still a 2016 hire in Aug of 2020.
Not saying it's a bad thing, just they need to be held accountable for their predictions. Talk is cheap, I need to see results though.

teamflyer 02-02-2019 04:21 PM

We need more pilots on reserve? 0 availability everyday. Can’t drop trips, can’t trade.

dera 02-02-2019 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2755432)
You weren't on property to begin with on 12/10/18 when the email went out I'm pretty sure. It was 4.5 years after double checking. Still a 2016 hire in Aug of 2020.
Not saying it's a bad thing, just they need to be held accountable for their predictions. Talk is cheap, I need to see results though.

Yes I was. You saying 3.5 years was not correct. The 4.5 years seems pretty realistic, give or take a few months. Would you not agree with that?

moon 02-02-2019 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2755445)
Yes I was. You saying 3.5 years was not correct. The 4.5 years seems pretty realistic, give or take a few months. Would you not agree with that?

That's a 6 or 7 month acceleration of flow. So no I don't. If they make changes to keep the entire list flowing At same rate sure. But I don't see that change coming. First 2016 hire shown as Feb 2021 flow per union list

dera 02-02-2019 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2755450)
That's a 6 or 7 month acceleration of flow. So no I don't. If they make changes to keep the entire list flowing At same rate sure. But I don't see that change coming. First 2016 hire shown as Feb 2021 flow per union list

Retirements alone will drop that by about 2 months, so Dec 2020.

moon 02-02-2019 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2755459)
Retirements alone will drop that by about 2 months, so Dec 2020.

What retirements?

dera 02-02-2019 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2755469)
What retirements?

Scratch that, I was counting the lifers too. Need to improve my excel algo :)

mketch11 02-02-2019 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2755324)
APC history doesn't go that far.

Talk to a captain who has been here 20 years or more and get an idea of the company’s record on flow predictions.

dera 02-02-2019 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2755484)
Talk to a captain who has been here 20 years or more and get an idea of the company’s record on flow predictions.

Yep. They laugh when people complain about a 6 year flow and sub-2 year upgrade.

You know what's great about the flow?
Not a single one of those 20 year captains are here because they can't move on. There's plenty of lifers-against-their-own-will at other regionals though.

Predictions go out the window when things like 9/11 happen. How exactly are you preparing for that?
The "best" regionals today used to be the worst only a few years ago. And if something like 9/11 was to happen again, there will be no hiring/movement to any of the majors. And if you think Republic/Endeavor will keep their pay and work rules through those times, well, would you be interested in a bridge I've got to sell...?

moon 02-02-2019 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2755491)
Yep. They laugh when people complain about a 6 year flow and sub-2 year upgrade.

You know what's great about the flow?
Not a single one of those 20 year captains are here because they can't move on. There's plenty of lifers-against-their-own-will at other regionals though.

Predictions go out the window when things like 9/11 happen. How exactly are you preparing for that?
The "best" regionals today used to be the worst only a few years ago. And if something like 9/11 was to happen again, there will be no hiring/movement to any of the majors. And if you think Republic/Endeavor will keep their pay and work rules through those times, well, would you be interested in a bridge I've got to sell...?

You already buy that bridge from management. And wouldn't you rather have the work rules and pay rates to lose than to never have them?


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