Class Drop List
 

A place to talk about class size and equipment assignments.

What's wrong with the other thread made specifically for this half a year ago and neglected since?

24 today. 3 DEC CRJ and 21 FO. FO’s all 175, choice of DFW or ORD.

This makes me think we are going to have lots of 175 FO's upgrading next month.

Yep. That would make sense because lots of those guys back then went straight to line holders with little to no time on reserve.

Attrition seems to be a bit faster on the 175 compared to the 145. Also factor in 175 fleet growth.

Sucks for the DEC’s who wanted the 145. They have been almost guaranteeing 145 LGA drops.

Another way to introduce them to being "ENVOYED" from the start.

They will get use to it.

Thank you for the update on the class drops.

On the Standing Vacancies, are they limited in number by the number left unfilled on a regular vacancy/dispacement run?

If so, is it possible those spots have been taken now and they can’t offer the 145 to DEC until they have another vacancy bid?

I'm cant a speak to that but I would assume you get what was offered on the RF 950 bid after that vacancy. But you know what assuming gets you.

Also, I wouldn't risk getting displaced to an A/C you dont want by doing the SV. Just wait a few more weeks until the vacancy runs.

The question was just in relation to the fact no DEC were offerred 145 in class today. It makes me wonder if that’s even an available option at the moment for anyone.

That said, I’m pretty sure when you bid for a standing vacancy you are bidding for a specific A/C and base and aren’t putting yourself at risking being put in something else.

Does anyone know how much longer they will continue having the all 175 classes for FOs? It seems like that past few classes have been this way. Is the 145 well staffed currently? Or is envoy just preparing for the additional 2 175s a month? Thanks

Someone knows. But that someone will not share that information with the public, especially in this format. Every one else is just speculating.

My speculation is they will continue to have increased numbers of 175s, but they will have to continue to hire into the 145 soon as well.

There is a larger number of FOs hired into the 175 in 2016 that will be upgrading. There have been large numbers of FOs on the 145 that have sat reserve and not flown as much recently. They are trying to get the amount of pie to equal the amount of ice cream but there is a lot of knee jerking going on.

The truth today will likely change tomorrow, or the week after. Maybe both.

If you want to be guaranteed to fly the 175, especially both as FO and CA, don’t come to Envoy.

New hire ?
 

Can anyone who’s recently been through Indoc PM me to answer a few questions? I’ll be in the 8 October 145 class.

How do you know what airframe you will get, or is that just what you hope for?

I already started training but left for a military obligation. Restarting next month.

Thank you for your service and welcome back.

Thanks, I’m excited to be back.

Hey does anyone know how long it will take to get Miami based on the 145 out of the school house, if the 145 is available in training?

CA or FO?

Filler

On the FO side.

How long were you out for? After a certain amount of time your able to bid for what you can hold. Are you sure you have to do the 145? Or perhaps you want to.

I’ll be starting indoc in Nov just wondering if the 145 will be available, and how long it would take to get back to Miami. The 175 would be great but since it’s not based in Miami I think the QOL would be better on the 145.

No one knows what will be available for each class.

145 guys have been able to bid back to Mia on the FO side after one or two bid cycles. 3-6 months.

A lot that went to Mia have since come back to Lga as they never flew at all on reserve in Mia. So that will help speed up a transfer to Mia for you.

Thanks,

Also if I don’t get the 145 Miami, and say I get 175 instead what is the next best base to pick for QOL if I’m commuting out of FLL?

I’m not sure if this was meant for me, but I was out for over a year. I would take the 175 if they offered it, but it doesn’t sound like that’s an option. I’ll ask when I can get in touch with someone in training.

Training department has said all new hire FOs are going into the 175 for now. How long that will last, who knows. But the 145 training is winding down significantly. They just displaced another 7 145 instructors back to the line, along with 6 instructors doing line rotation, and additionally a handful of 145 PSIs are transitioning to the 175.

The situation here is certainly a bit intriguing. The company claims a captain shortage but I personally don’t see it reflected anywhere. No critical coverage, reserves not being used much at all, not much OT to go around, etc. We’ve just been stock piling pilots. Almost as if a bunch of flying is about to get dumped on us sometime in the near future...

Well...a wave a new 175s is starting to roll in beginning this November. 25 planes on order if I remember correctly. At roughly 20 pilots needed for each plane, that's 500 pilots required. And considering that we're losing 29 pilots/month to flow alone throughout next year, things are gonna get very tight next year. We may not be feeling it too badly right now, but it's no doubt coming.

Ten 175s in the 4th quarter this year, then 15 next year. So they’re definitely loading up for the future staffing needs.

True. But of you look at (and believe) the numbers RW put out in June, there is only going to be a net gain of 11 planes through the end of 2019. Not to say there aren’t going to be training events as the CRJs slowly go away. I know the story of what happens to the CRJs has changed numerous times.

And then there are all those that want to wish the 20 175s that Compass has onto our certificate.

I know there is a glut of 145 FOs, but the number of 145s is not supposed to change in the next year plus. They have to start hiring into them again, soon. There is a big bubble of only 175 FOs from two years ago that is the largest number of upgrades, but that can’t last more than another bid or so.

They typically staff 10-12 pilots per plane so it's only an additional 125-150 CA to cover the new birds. If they add another 150 flows coming off the airplane over the next 12 months they'll need 300 newly minted 175 captains. It'll be busy but there won't be a lack of guys wanting that upgrade or a piece of that movement

I would be more willing to believe that if they had been offering more 175 captain spots and stocking up on that side but they aren’t. Plus we are supposed to lose the CRJs, slowly albeit but that still frees up some pilots. And wasn’t this summer supposed to be a disaster? I never saw any staffing crunch. Not even close. Again, it just doesn’t add up for me. I think there’s something in the pipeline coming this way.

Envoy returned flying to AAG for the summer.

And this is good for the flow.

Envoy told the mothership in May that we couldn't crew the elevated level of flying for the summer (remember when they were threatening to cancel captains vacations) and then the situation worked itself out. The 145 staffing has stabalized. Look at ORD and the increase in lines and value. Skywest pulling the 200's out to go back to ASA who will fly them for UA has created more opportunities for flying.

The bid that should be out in the next two weeks and end of the year will hopefully offer some insight into where we are going.

How about CRJ?
 

Could anybody describe the situation with CRJ hiring/class now?
Any perspectives there? Do they fly a lot? What's the upgrade time there?
Thanks

They told our interview group last week that all new hires are going to the 175 for now.

They havent hired into the CRJ for at least 5 months now. No movement. Any small movement from FOs upgrading is offset by monthly reduction of lines. FO indefinite seat lock means you will be on reserve until they’re projected to be gone at the start of 2020. The best aircraft in the fleet is the worst for your career.