Well, day trips being worth at least 5 hours of credit would be great, for ANY trip at Envoy would be great, but you’re not just shooting for the moon, you’re a shooting for the stars.

Very few sequences at Envoy even come close to averaging 5 hours a day. That would make a four day worth 20 hours and I’d say less than 15% of four days are worth that much. Average four day is about 16 hours. 16 hours x five sequences of four days gives you 80 hours and eleven days off. Most lines have closer to 74 hours average and 13 days off. You do the math. If you happen to be a keyboard warrior who is good with archaic computer languages and lucky enough to be able to sit at your iPad when the trade period opens, and IF your sequence isn’t considered “critical”, you might be able to trade some of those sequences for something with a little more credit.

Envoy is NOT a major company in any way, shape or form and the contract reflects accordingly.

The contract will not be improved. The company has no desire to improve it. PERIOD

This is Pedro’s creation and why he’s the best CEO in the Metroplex. His vision and steady hand have guided Envoy through rough waters. He is a true leader and AAG should recognize his accomplishments.

Quoted for truth, everything in the above post can be relied upon. Especially the part about improving the contract - Envoy would rather go to zero pilots and dissolve than give us any meaningful, permanent improvements.

That’s because Pedro only cares about ground services. That’s the only thing he knows/understands.

I wonder what kind of parachute upper management gets if Envoy dissolves

44 resignations at the bottom that survey and only nine days into the month.

The last number I saw for January was 97.

I’ve enjoyed working with everyone here and hope for their sakes we don’t close doors. However, I think that anyone flowing in 2023 or later should be looking for an exit just to ensure they still have a paycheck. Regardless, everyone should be based on lost seniority at the majors each month alone.

Nowhere does it say Envoy “Airlines” “Envoy Air” is a ground handling company.

Google “ground handling companies” see what comes up.

You notice the increased station ground personnel are pdt and not envoy.
pedro is missing in action, they put a letter out every now and then supposedly by him but in reality no one at any airport facility has seen pedro for at least 2 years except on the sms video.

Would you show your face if you ran a shop like this as CEO and reported to a do-nothing middle manager VP at AA?

It’s almost like that was my point.

Don’t you dare forget his right hand man CP, he was recently honored as an exceptional in house attorney.

Rumors going around now of only giving 175 out in new hire classes from this point on..any truth to that?

Rumors are great for getting those new hires in the door. Remember the LAX one? Yeah, I guess that got too stale.

Recruiting tool. Those 145 are not going to fly themselves.

Oh as I figured, again heard it amongst chatter and wanted to throw it out there and see what you all say haha

AAG has far too many 145 (at ENY and PDT) that are still making money. As long as they’re making money they will still fly.

Pedro is AI generated, look in to it

A lack of pilots will force them to make some tough decisions. Not happy, not fun, painful decisions.

The 2/7 class is going to be the last all 175 class. All other classes will be on the A380 at the new Tokyo base. I heard this from a cadet, so it’s fact.

So no more ANC base? Damn...

It's now HNL base. ETOPS flying in/out to AUS.

Notice I said as long as they are making money. I don’t disagree that, just like CRJ 200s, 145s will be the first to be cut, but I think it’s a long way from that, and I’d be willing to bet the entire Envoy A fund that there will be people still in training for the 145 when they park the last one because that how forward thinking Envoy is.

Class ratios of background?
 

What’s the avg numbers of cadets vs. 121 vs. normal entry guys?

70/0/30 roughly based on my subjective impression. No data is gathered on this outside of people paying close attention in their own classes.

My class was the opposite ratio but that was over 2 years ago when they always seemed to have as many 175 spots as cadets and no more. Theres realy no way to know so YMMV

I bet the next one will have lots of 145

I laughed.

You can be making money, but if you don’t have enough pilots coming in the door, you cannot fly all of those money making machines. Looking at the RJ industry as a whole, one is seeing planes being parked due to lack of pilots. Makes no difference if that airframe could make money. That is happening right now, today.

Looking at the numbers being hired vs. numbers going to the majors, etc. it is only going to get a LOT worse for the RJs as this year goes on. I am a realist.

That making money includes needing pilots and paying them and treating them better. Granted you are not going to stop people from leaving a regional to go to a major carrier, but there is still a lot that can be done to encourage MORE people to come and fewer to leave and still make money.

In my interview session last Wednesday (9Feb22) they said the most recent indoc class had all slots go 175. MIA and ORD, no DFW.

I am hoping that holds true, or at least plenty of 175, for the next month or two.

Lots of rumors about the 145 going away so they can cannibalize the pilots to keep the merry-go-round going a little longer. Prepare for disappointment though, unless you're a cadet that signed up early and got hours slowly.

You can predict the 175-only or 145-only classes with some certainty, but if they start mixing fleets again, it's impossible to tell.

When I got hired, there were 2 175-only classes back to back.
Then a 145-only class that was very cadet-heavy.

145 Class and/or a lot of cadets would be a mess for me. I 2nd career so notably older and should otherwise be fairly senior in my glass.

I would really like to pilot a plane I can stand up in and not be on a plane that is fading away from the fleet.

You should apply at spirit and frontier if thats the case.

Just out of curiosity, how can you predict the 175 only classes?

You can't, no one knows until the day of.

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You can. Need to have a flow plan and the class date offer.

Not 100% but around 90% accurate.

So what would your prediction be for the class that starts Monday? Coming off of the heels of an all 175 class

I don't have the required info any more, I don't work at the 'Voy any more.

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