Here’s to hoping the regional model gets an overhaul that benefits everyone.

they keep throwing money at the problem, how about some QOL improvements!

Question from a future pilot, when the contract expires is there likely to be a pay raise. Does a pay raise usually happen every CBA negotiation no matter how small? I mean I know QOL is life, but getting you guys more pay not in the form of a bonus doesn’t hurt I’d imagine?

join the Air Guard as a backup.

The past few contracts at Envoy have been concessionary.

Am in the Air Guard, just not as a pilot.

👍 cut your teeth at a regional for a little bit. Don’t let the flow carrot suck you in. Was at voy for 4yrs, left during the Covid year back to helos, had 2 121 CJO’s from a LCC and ULCC during the rona year while I was away from 121, then got on with a good 121 ACMI after being out of jets for that year. It’s a pilot market. Just make sure whatever regional you pick, you can see yourself there long term if more unexpected world events happen during your tenure there. Good luck. #flyarmy

23 DFL with 4 options of OFL
17 OFE

Large class. Good thing, as it sounds like the only one of the month.

Newbie here. Do you mind explaining what this means?


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Ord eny e175 is downsizing to make room for all the rah e170's and the new skw e175's flying being transfered to them. Ord will only be backfilling from now.
also rah is in mia again, 9 city growth.

Thankfully we are the preferred airline at envoy for being bent over

Eh, the January hours and lines don’t support your pessimism. Small fluctuations from December. Considering how many flights AAG canceled for January and February, wouldn’t have been surprised to see Envoy lose a significant amount of flying and that wasn’t the case. Overall flying is up for January in both airframes and AAG regularly massages who flies what which means the planners have to do what they can to balance things out.

If you say so but rah and skw will be adding all those plane for aa.

There’s a continuous cycle of ORD & MIA trading flying. In the winter ORD shrinks and MIA grows, in the summer ORD grows and MIA shrinks.

SKW has gained a lot of CRJ flying here, the 175s that float through are just spares they don’t have any scheduled flying get.

RPA is pretty much gone from ORD, a handful of flights a day with no increase planned.

PDT is back with a vengeance after the new year, up to 20 a day again.

Thought y’all had MIA locked down?

AA has MIA locked down. Who flies for them, the regionals have no say on that.

AA had MIA locked down.

Spirit, Frontier, Southwest and Jetblue just kicked the door in.

True. My point was just that Envoy has no say on MIA flying, AA decides that.

New vacancy is out
 

Check that hi6. 140 upgrades coming, if my math is right.

Trying to get bodies in place for summer junior mans. Has anyone checked to verify that Envoy has the fastest flow to United?

Summer? January is going to be interesting

The SCC LOA was only six months, wasn’t it? End of January?

DCL is the largest status, but fewest openings. I know there hasn’t been a lot of movement there, so probably why so few openings. MCL has had a lot of TDY, so kind of makes sense to see such a large vacancy.

But overall, I think these vacancies need to be bigger if that many people are leaving in January as people say.

Half the people in the DFW crew room earlier this week were leaving for United in the next couple weeks. Apparently ALPA is projecting 100+ resignations in January!

Most of the flowbots at this company are DCL and due to flow in the next year-year and a half. Not surprising it has been hit by less resignations imo.

While that may be, DCL has had a proportionately smaller number that were even planning to flow. It is lifer top heavy, has always been and the last several bids brought even more over from the 145. You have to get into the 2016 hires before you get a significant proportion of DCLs who plan to leave.

Excellent point, that's true too.

From someone who religiously reads this board from the outside looking in I have two dumb questions for you guys who always seem willing to answer.
1. What does DCL stand for?
2. If you bid for a junior base at a chance of upgrading faster and that happens, can you ever be downgraded back to FO If someone more senior than you eventually decides to make the jump to Captain. I think the answer to this would be no, but just curious. Thanks again for all you guys do and for those toting me around the going to and from my monthly guard drills.

1. DFW Captain 175
2. No, if someone else decides to be a CA they cannot displace you from your seat. If, on the other hand, they are displaced from their seat (base closing/shrinking/equipment going away) then they could.

Prelim is out
 

Most junior captains
Seniority on prelim
DCL - 1160
OCL - 1346
MCL - 1361
DCE - 1426
OCE - 1721

Seniority on decs
DCL - 1501
OCL - 1743
MCL - 1759
DCE - 1833
OCE - 2178

Hire date
DCL - 06/2018
OCL - 01/2019
MCL - 01/2019
DCE - 03/2019
OCE - 11/2019

What are the times to be able to bid a line at DFW on the 145 and 175 please.


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Understand this will all change month to month and depend on how many lines there are, how many leave, someone senior wanting certain days off and bidding reserve.
Best guess on the 175 is about 11/2019 hires. But that includes the times during Covid when we didn’t hire, from April 2020 to about June 2021. So for new hires maybe 10-11 months. Maybe less.
145 would be around 08/2019 hires. A little over a year or so.

So for a DFW 175 FO to get off of reserve they would need about an 11/2019 hire date as of today? Or 10-11 months? I'm not sure I get what you said, could you elaborate? Thx

there were no newhires between 3/2020 and 6/2021
so 11/2019 lineholder is 1/2022-11/2019-(6/2021-3/2020)= 25mo - 15mo = 10 months of seniority

Imagine how tough it’s going to be, finding FOs to displace to CA when so few meet the requirement.

Everyone that has the time is bailing…

Hole the size of an A-380 on the seniority list. PSA and PDT were already there.

So your saying forced upgrades are coming lol


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Forced upgrades don’t help if there’s no one left to force. They only need to force upgrade when a significant number of FOs are bypassing upgrade even if they are qualified. How many of those are there right now?

Some people might be holding out for the 175, but if they really want the 175, displacing them won’t help the company since they can just bid across. They won’t be seatlocked unless they choose to be.

There is still the limitation on how many can bid jet to jet.

Junior guys will be in the 30% allowed to bid jet to jet since the senior guys won’t want to flow lock themselves

Any update from today’s class?