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I don’t know if Compass segregates it’s AA and DAL pilots. Some places do, some don’t. I’m sure Envoy would like to have access to 100 plus captain qualified 175 pilots plus the same number of FOs. But since AAG already owns the planes and Compass still has 175s to fly for Delta, I don’t see this happening, especially since those pilots would have to go through training at Envoy anyway.
We already have pilots that will displace off the CRJs that have to be trained. There is a lull in 175 deliveries this summer that will allow the company time to get ahead on training. Of course this is Envoy. Facts and reason have no place in any decision being made. |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2777842)
That’s my point.
Envoy could staff the airframes. Right, wrong or otherwise it is what it is. |
Not everyone believes that though on the mainline level.
Again, look at the ExpressJet/ASA guys going to Kalitta et al and United coming up with the CRJ550 to keep GoJet open vs taking the flying elsewhere. The two might or might not be connected. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2777828)
Can’t staple. Federal Law. Thank TWA.
That said, it would only apply if AAG bought and merged Compass into Envoy. Why on earth would they ever do that? Don’t renew the CPA, take the planes back, offer preferential hiring to their pilots. The pilots come in as cheap inexpensive new hires. That’s much smarter than buying them, merging, and having to pay pilots at higher seniority steps. In fact, when the industry consolidation happens, that’s how AAG will likely do it. Not renew the CPA, then offer the pilots preferential hiring. Recycle themselves as new hires just to have a job. Much as our junior FO’s recycled themselves at places like TSA and PSA right when the flying was transferred getting themselves very quick upgrades. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2777870)
My point exactly. Like I said - if they suddenly decided to jump to Envoy, they would be new hires. No reason to even think about SLI, there would be no merger/acquisition.
AAG could very well threaten buy part of the Compass operation, operate them on the executive certificate, leave the planes and pilots operating in LAX and demand concessions to bring those planes to Envoy. |
Of course, with the way Envoy hires and class seniority, 60 percent (or more) of those Compass 175 pilots would end up on the 145.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2777873)
Only if the CPA is not renewed and the planes reassigned by AAG to Envoy. If AAG buys Compass to operate the jets at Envoy, you would have a seniority list integration.
AAG could very well threaten buy part of the Compass operation, leave the planes and pilots operating in LAX and demand concessions to bring those planes to Envoy. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2777873)
Only if the CPA is not renewed and the planes reassigned by AAG to Envoy. If AAG buys Compass to operate the jets at Envoy, you would have a seniority list integration.
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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2777876)
Yes, and that doesn't seem like a reasonable scenario. No point to buy an Airline just to staff 20 planes. Envoy can already do that without buying anything.
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 2777878)
AAG already owns the planes and flying and gates they operate out of.
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