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Brillo 02-10-2019 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by Nazgul (Post 2760957)
pitchattitude, to be more specific: I’m an Osprey guy who will be transitioning to civilian straight out of the fleet. Now that the FAA counts my MV time as ‘fixed wing’ instead of powered lift, just seeing if that will speed up my process for getting to the majors faster. Thanks for the reply.

Still not really enough info to give you any decent advice. Are you current? Do you have 1000 hours or 2500 hours? How much PIC? How much instructor? ASO? Department head? If you want any realistic shot at going straight to the majors (some have), you need to knock out your ATP. Occasionally you'll hear of some otherwise highly qualified military pilot without their ATP getting hired by a major, but it isn't a 1200 hour osprey pilot.

As far as how long at a regional, it depends on the above. Some have spent 300 hours there and moved on, others a couple of years. Not saying you are, but definitely don't fall into the trap of looking down your nose at the regionals the way some of these arrogant jerks do.

The corporate knowledge is starting to make its way into the community. You have any buds you can hit up directly?

AA, Delta and United like your time. SW not so much.

havick206 02-10-2019 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by Brillo (Post 2760970)
Still not really enough info to give you any decent advice. Are you current? Do you have 1000 hours or 2500 hours? How much PIC? How much instructor? ASO? Department head? If you want any realistic shot at going straight to the majors (some have), you need to knock out your ATP. Occasionally you'll hear of some otherwise highly qualified military pilot without their ATP getting hired by a major, but it isn't a 1200 hour osprey pilot.

As far as how long at a regional, it depends on the above. Some have spent 300 hours there and moved on, others a couple of years. Not saying you are, but definitely don't fall into the trap of looking down your nose at the regionals the way some of these arrogant jerks do.

The corporate knowledge is starting to make its way into the community. You have any buds you can hit up directly?

AA, Delta and United like your time. SW not so much.

Lots of V22 guys here at Envoy stuck in purgatory.

Some V22 pilots have gone straight to a legacy from the military also.

NoValueAviator 02-10-2019 05:59 AM

I know an Osprey guy. He started a year ago and is still here.

Cyio 02-10-2019 06:00 AM

I know it isn't a popular thing to say, but I still dont understand why a 10 year military guy gets picked over 10 year regional guys. Assuming both have clean records and a degree, the regional guy should go first.

I know I know, AF pilots are so talented and it shows commitment etc. Well so does sticking it out at a regional and passing recurrent/check rides every year. Not to mention the regional pilot will be far more familiar with the operations required for 121.

This isn't the 1970's anymore when you needed the military to train you to fly and/or needed to be an engineer to run these machines. It certainly doesn't take knowledge of dropping a bomb to fly an airbus and you cant tell me that experience is more relevant than that of a regional pilot who has probably had a dozen or more 121 emergencies, countless re-routes, fuel issues etc...I also agree that a military pilot can pick up all that very easily, this is rocket science by any means.

Again, I feel I need to throw out that I fully support our military men and women, but it does seem to be a bit unfair/biased in this hiring situation.

Brillo 02-10-2019 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2761002)
I know it isn't a popular thing to say, but I still dont understand why a 10 year military guy gets picked over 10 year regional guys. Assuming both have clean records and a degree, the regional guy should go first.

I know I know, AF pilots are so talented and it shows commitment etc. Well so does sticking it out at a regional and passing recurrent/check rides every year. Not to mention the regional pilot will be far more familiar with the operations required for 121.

This isn't the 1970's anymore when you needed the military to train you to fly and/or needed to be an engineer to run these machines. It certainly doesn't take knowledge of dropping a bomb to fly an airbus and you cant tell me that experience is more relevant than that of a regional pilot who has probably had a dozen or more 121 emergencies.

Again, I feel I need to throw out that I fully support our military men and women, but it does seem to be a bit unfair/biased in this hiring situation.

Well, there goes this thread.

Cyio 02-10-2019 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Brillo (Post 2761004)
Well, there goes this thread.

Yeah its a slow day, needed to stir the pot around here. Been getting a little chummy. ;)

Nazgul 02-10-2019 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2761002)
I know it isn't a popular thing to say, but I still dont understand why a 10 year military guy gets picked over 10 year regional guys. Assuming both have clean records and a degree, the regional guy should go first.

I know I know, AF pilots are so talented and it shows commitment etc. Well so does sticking it out at a regional and passing recurrent/check rides every year. Not to mention the regional pilot will be far more familiar with the operations required for 121.

This isn't the 1970's anymore when you needed the military to train you to fly and/or needed to be an engineer to run these machines. It certainly doesn't take knowledge of dropping a bomb to fly an airbus and you cant tell me that experience is more relevant than that of a regional pilot who has probably had a dozen or more 121 emergencies, countless re-routes, fuel issues etc...I also agree that a military pilot can pick up all that very easily, this is rocket science by any means.

Again, I feel I need to throw out that I fully support our military men and women, but it does seem to be a bit unfair/biased in this hiring situation.


Not going to stir the pot but would say that each category brings different experiences and things to the table, for better or worse. Thanks to all for answers regarding my OP.

Cyio 02-10-2019 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Nazgul (Post 2761015)
Not going to stir the pot but would say that each category brings different experiences and things to the table, for better or worse. Thanks to all for answers regarding my OP.

I agree, I just dont feel that in this day and age the preference should still exist. Part of the reason I occasionally bring this up is that I feel a good deal of this hiring behavior is simply because its what has always been done. The "Old Guard" so to speak.

To your OP, sorry I didn't answer earlier. I have known three military guys during my time here, one was a V22 pilot, one a bomber pilot and the other had various roles flying for the military. V22 still here after two years, one left for FedEx, the other for another cargo carrier. The FedEx guy was out in little over a year. All had significant flying experience and college with clean records. All had recent experience as well.

NoValueAviator 02-10-2019 06:49 AM

I think there’s a certain amount of liking how military guys cut their hair and wear the uniform that goes on. I don’t know who the guy in full Eagle regalia lip synching with Slim Shady on his Skullcandy headphones over by G21 was, but I have a feeling he was a civilian.

If it was you stay out of my DMs, I know it’s allowed and don’t personally care lol

Nazgul 02-10-2019 07:10 AM

[MENTION=72905]Cyio[/MENTION], thanks for the info. Trust me, there is nothing I hate more than ‘that’s the way we’ve always done it’.

[MENTION=79574]NoValueAviator[/MENTION], currently rocking a low reg right now, not sure how much longer I can make the top until my SgtMaj says it’s not in USMC standards :D haha


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