Probably not, but I’m sure it made him feel like he was doing his part to uphold the standards of the profession.

 

See, there's always somebody who has to take a childish stab at someone else who is simply following the rules laid out by the company that pays him.

As CrowneVic mentioned, that guy did the right thing.

Don't wear jeans if you think there's the remotest possibility you may need to actually sit in a jumpseat. It's not Rocket Science.

(the more this inevitableneb posts in this thread, the more I think he may have been the person the OP was talking about)

 

Guess we have our answer. You are the immature kid who showed up trying to jumpseat on the LCC mentioned at the start of this thread and said you were with American.

 

Other pilots: Envoy
General public: American Eagle or just American if met with a blank stare.

 

This whole thing just seems a bit overblown to me. Actually making the guy change pants seems like a power Trip to me, he could have just said 'hey, for next time, jeans aren't really kosher'.

But, your right, those are the rules. If offense was taken at this or any other snarky comments I've made, I apologise.

I just wish we could all be decent to each other instead of constantly sizing each other up and deciding we're better than them because our seniority is higher or our airline is better, or our airframe is bigger.

I'm not the person this post is talking about, but I have made proceedural errors while jumpseating, and I was usually met with extreme curtesy and respect by the FD crew, which I deeply appreciated. I was not blasted on a forum for pages and pages. This isn't something that belongs here at all, it should be limited to private conversations or in the most extreme circumstances the Jumpseat committee.

 

I’ve seen a captain make someone change twice. Once was a Southwest pilot who wanted to ride on the flight deck in jeans and Han Solo boots. The other was a mainline captain who was going on vacation. Both situations were handled professionally and all involved understood.

 

Anyone who blasted the original subject of this thread blasted the wrong guy for reasons I outlined previously.

We have professional standards, just like physicians, lawyers, police, etc. It is up to us to uphold them and maintain our profession at a high level. That is why the guy wearing jeans was asked to change his pants.

He knew the rules, and decided he couldn't be bothered to throw on a pair of Dockers before showing up. He had something to change into in his bag, for crying out loud!

Do you think he would have done that if he were flying on his own metal or another mainline carrier? No way in H.

I'm not against what you said about just giving the guy the verbal, "Next time don't wear jeans", and letting him ride if that's your style. But do you think a lot of mainline guys, including this very Captain, wouldn't have made you change under similar circumstances? They don't want unprofessional looking turds on their flightdecks, either.

Probably more than most professions, except maybe cops, we are watched and scrutinized VERY carefully by EVERYONE. You can sense people scrutinizing and sizing you up as you walk to the gate, through the terminal, enter/exit the cockpit, and so forth.

They are all asking themselves if you are skilled and trustworthy enough to take them and their families flying. Your appearance, and the appearance of anyone on the flightdeck, has an impact on their conclusions.

We do need to take of each other. I can't remember where I heard or read the great story of some guy who had non-rev'd somewhere, but had all of his luggage lost while on vacation. He was desperate to get back to work and only the jumpseat was available. He only had a t-shirt, swim trunks, flip-flops, and about three or four days worth of stubble. He pleaded his case to the Captain and apologized profusely. Of course, he just got a big laugh and a hearty welcome aboard.

That kind of stuff is one-off. But day-to-day standards need to be maintained, or we will just be ruining things for ourselves. Our livelihoods depend on it.

 

I disagree.

I think it belongs here so everyone can learn from the mistakes of others, especially the young guys just getting into the industry. I promise you that if a low time guy that's looking to get on with a regional soon reads this thread, they'll learn some etiquette about jumpseating that they probably wouldn't learn in ground school.

 

You guys sound like nightmares...a nice pair of jeans is way better than a rough pair of khakis. I’ll allow any of you in my jumpseat because you sound like you guys dress for prom but god damn I don’t look forward to the conversation.

 

I am honestly kind of surprised anyone cares what you wear in the back if it’s neat and not eccentric. We are carrying basic economies wearing tattered wifebeaters soaked through with a mixture of sweat and McDonald’s honey BBQ. I see no reason to deny a cabin seat in coach to a guy in jeans and a button-down.

The cockpit is a different story for all the reasons mentioned previously. The pax are expecting to see a certain (very high) level of professionalism coming from the people in there.