You’ll do what your obligated to do IAW the FAR’s or you won’t be welcomed in my jumpseat. I don’t have to give you a ride. If I ask you to talk on the radio so that I can work through an emergency with my f/o, you’d better clear your throat and get to gettin. There’s no time for attitude or ego during those scenarios.

This behavior should not go unchecked any more than the fellow’s that was the subject of the first post. Sometimes we all need a good reminder of how we should be conducting ourselves, and mainline or not, should get the “talk” just like anyone else.

It’s not necessary to be a tool. Just be polite and professional. Everyone is so rushed and hurried these days and we’ve lost so much civility in the way we conduct ourselves, some may not be aware of what they are doing and how they are coming off.

A quick dose of reality may be the medicine needed, and you are almost guaranteed to get a sincere apology and probably a thank you when they realize what they are doing. If the guy or gal wants to look down their nose and get all huffy, so be it. Just report it to the jumpseat committee.

I wouldn’t worry about tit-for-tat, as there are probably a whole lot more “mainline” folks needing rides to work. Besides, people who act like that really are the minority.

Antiquated system or not, it is our system and these are the expectations within it. As a group, pilots are better off being able to self-police each other, rather than having others become involved and tell us what to do.

If you are okay with letting jumpseaters with a cabin seat do their own thing, that’s personal style. But when you let them get away with the flagrant stuff, you are hurting our profession.

At the end of the day, people just want get to their destination safely and on time. However, year after year in polls, pilots are consistently ranked highly by the public in terms of trustworthiness and respect, right up there with police officers, firefighters, teachers, nurses, and the military. It’s up to us to keep it that way.

There is strength in unity, but weakness in division.

I am going to give the benefit of the doubt to that person and assume they meant sitting in the back on a JS ticket. Even still, should that be the case you should help if the captain requests it.

I thought someone said that jeans weren't acceptable attire?

What I was saying was, if slacks and a dress shirt are the requirements, and CA's start letting people jumpseat in jeans and a casual shirt or t-shirt, before long you'll have guys wearing shorts and tank tops. That's the nature of people, to push the envelope. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

In training, at the schoolhouse, jeans are OK. NOT for the jumpseat. Ever.

Jeans are not considered business casual. If there is any chance you will need the jumpseat, don’t wear jeans to the airport.

Khakis, chinos are about as informal as you want to get with regard to pants.

Something that has not been really touched on during this discourse is that if you are on an AA flight, no matter who is flying it, if you are a D1 or D2, you are just like any other employee using their travel privileges. Other airline, or other airline flying on Envoy/AA is using reciprocal JS agreement. These really are two different things. We may end up on the JS and use that ability because it is full in the back. If so, then regular JS etiquette applies. Is it courteous to check in if you are a D1/D2 and have a seat in the back, sure, but not required.

The OP was about an Envoy on Spirit, but there are lines that have been blurred in this discussion.

All that being said, I still agree that you must be properly dressed, etc. either way and when required, check in and ask for the ride.

That's what I thought, but MySaabStory was saying different.

If you're a D1/D2 riding in the back, I really don't want you checking in at the cockpit. The last thing I need is 20 rampers/Fa/gate agents saying thanks for the ride.

I agree with your point. I was just referencing someone on the FDJ.

Did that make you feel like a big man?