Envoy Pilots AA?
 

Had an Envoy jumpseater today. He was a young kid, mid 20s who came in and said he was AA. I asked for his docs and his badge said Envoy. I asked was he AA or Envoy. His reply was Envoy is wholly owned by AA. I then asked what he was flying and he said 175. Quite arrogant but was sitting in the back so OK, whatever.

What type of kool aid are you guys pumping into these kids?

Jeez. If your badge says Envoy, you work for Envoy, not AA.

What a tool.

While this guys is an idiot either way, I’m hoping he was “confused” since at most other airlines we have to list under AA and not Envoy for the JS.

There are a few noted exceptions who just plain think we are AA. And those idiots brew their own KoolAid.

So sorry you had to deal with that guy. Do me a favor and give your jump seat committee a call so they can call ours and this guy will get a talking to. Last thing myself or the other 90% of the pilot group needs is putting a bad taste in another pilot's mouth. Entitled, spoiled, selfish, socially incompetent, and un professional pilots is not something we need in this industry and the ones that are out there need to get a clue. Again sincerest apologies.

-Keep the dirty side down

I'll second this.

I'm at ENY and you definitely need to follow up on this.

There is a small group of dumb turds running around this place. Don't be afraid to set them straight.

That kid deserves this.

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Surprised he didn’t say “I’m on the 75.”

As others have said, please contact your JS committee. He's in the minority, but some of these young kids think they're a little more special than they are because they fly an RJ with engines mounted on the wing.

You have no credibility posting here Mr. "I'll go to any regional that I can, regardless of pay, work rules or contract as long as I get to fly a sexy E175 as a street CA".

Someone will set him straight eventually. Life goes on...

You sir, are a damn liar.

Please find a quote like that from me and I will never post here again.

I'll be waiting for your apology.

This flares up every few years, regional dudes telling girls at the bar they fly for the mainline

Well that's perfectly acceptable, but don't tell that to other pilots. :D

How else are we supposed to pick up chicks then??

But no in all seriousness, only time it's ok is when ppl ask who you work for and explaining, a company that flies for American Eagle is easier to explain then saying Envoy. Because let's be real, 99.9% of the ppl flying in the planes have no clue the planes are Envoy, PSA, Republic, Skywest, etc...

Who else tells people you don’t want to talk to/aren’t in the airline industry that you work for American Eagle? Cause I do that a lot, instead of explaining the whole regional business model.

On topic, this guy was probably a new scrub fresh out of indoc where they tell us to “say we’re AA when jumpseating” because we have to do this w/ the gate agent for CASS purposes. We all know we’re regional paupers unfit to look mainline lords in the eye.

Dear OP. Your gonna need to get over yourself.

I think you right my friend. He need to apologize. They say you AA pilot day one in envoy indoc

True. Mostly over at HQ doing interviews.

Really eye opening.

I am sure it was a young new hire that simply got confused as to what to say, since they are instructed to say that for jump seating issues at the gate.

I always say that I work for Eagle rather than explaining it. When I get someone who says which one and understands that there used to be a real American Eagle then I say Envoy. Sometimes I have to explain how we were named after a crappy US Airways “first class” product and how our name was changed into a brand.

He needs to apologize for relating a story about a guy who said he was AA but was Envoy? ? While I was at Envoy I was never once told to say I was anything else. What if I checked in saying I was Envoy and flashed my AA badge? You would be asking the same kinda questions. Before this gets spun further-this is not a regional vs mainline thing. You fly for the company listed in your badge. That simple.


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Unfortunately this sounds a lot like the same attitude the jumpseater had.

Were you in uniform? I'll tell people I'm AA if they ask and I don't think they have a clue what an "Envoy" is. It was probably a new kid anyways, he'll figure it out eventually, not sure why it has to be taken so personally.

By the OP's quote, I assume he was the flight crew on the aircraft .

"Had an Envoy jumpseater today."

Whew the first line of this kinda worried me for a sec haha. I jump seated on aa today and i'm a mid 20s looking "kid". But it was cockpit jumpseat. I Fly the 145, and i always say "envoy" because I don't think so little of other pilots as to assume they don't know the difference.

Cool story bro. Looks like we got us another AA pilot right here.

This is for the gate agent so she can find us. Telling another pilot you work for somebody you don't is not the intent of that. Common sense.

You must be the kid

Think so? You don't think that getting so bent out of shape over this that you just gotta post doesn't seem a bit ridiculous?

I was the captain on the flight and FYI, I work for an LCC not a legacy. I sure didn’t take my post as getting bent out of shape. It’s more amusing really than anything. Exchange goes like this.

FA says you have a jumpseater. Guy comes in and says, “Hi I am XXXXX with American. I’m riding in the back. I have a seat.”

I ask for his badge, license, medical and JS form. He hands them over. JS form says Envoy. His badge says Envoy. I ask, “Are you AA or Envoy?” Response was “Envoy is wholly owned by American.” I tell him to take his seat and welcome. I feel I was quite nice considering the circumstances. The guy was really condescending with his wholly owned response.

Did he say "I'm riding in the back" or "any chance to ride in the back"?

What is listed above is verbatim.

There are captains who would've said "wanna bet?" if someone says they are riding in the back.

Purely out of curiosity, is it your carrier's policy to do a document check for jump-seaters riding in the cabin? I've only ever been carded when I actually have to ride in the cockpit. Honest question; I've never JS'd on Spirit/Frontier/Jetblue and wonder if I ought to have my papers ready if I ever do.

Well let see, you are riding in the back based on your jumpseat priviledge. So you are required to check in with the captain, FAA rule and company policy. I'd you are non rev either zeds or id90 then no, you dont need to check with captain, but you do if traveling on jumpseat priveledge.
So none up on proper procedures and not facebook b.s.

Damn, this kid needs a talking to.

It's common courtesy to let the CA decide where you're sitting. If there's room in the back, they usually say so and give you the option. You do not tell them "I'm sitting in the back," even if there are plenty of open sests. It's the CA's decision. SMDH

Oh, absolutely dude. I ALWAYS check in with the captain with a “Hi there captain. Do you mind if I catch a ride home/to work with you this morning? (Sure, welcome aboard) Awesome, I appreciate it! (They give you a seat?) Yes sir/ma’am, they gave me a seat in back.”

With a cabin seat assignment, I don’t normally check in with my medical/license out of my wallet and in-hand, because I’ve never been asked to show them with a seat in back. Granted I mostly commute on company metal and SkyWest - maybe their captains are a little more loose with jumpseat credential checks. Not trying to start a fight - just asking.

maybe you should check what envoy has for jumpseat for pilot cass approved airline requires. Here make it easy for you, fmp-1
sec 15-45 all the way to the bottom. It is required.

If you are talking an AAG employee traveling on AAG owned aircraft as a d2, no you do not have to check in with captain, but if you are checking in as a jumpseater you most certainly do have to check in with the captain. If you don't want to that is your choice, be aware you can be turned in to your company and have you cass restricted.

We have unlimited jumpseat privilege now, it used to be 1 seat only, it can revert to the way it was.

Those types of CAs are generally a**holes to fly with. 75% of the time guys/gals say the same to me, wish it wasn’t required for them to check in in the first place if they have a seat in the back. All it does is congest the boarding area, and make the flight attendant have to shuffle around awkwardly in these smaller RJs. Riding up front is a different story.