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bh539 03-18-2019 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2785177)
So true......

Pilots are their worse enemy. If only we will hold off from accepting a class here, they would have to increase the pay. SHORT TERM PAIN FOR LONG TERM GAIN.

Love reading this from people that are currently employed at a regional. Why don't you resign then and take some short term pain.

mketch11 03-18-2019 05:46 PM

Raises are coming soon, probably right about the time the LAX base is opening up, which according to the FA I flew with today, is right around the corner. Too bad for me though because apparently it’s only going to be a 175 base :(
Glad she already knows the equipment in the non-existent base though, that must mean it’s that much more likely right?
On a side note, did anyone else notice that the flow grievance loa we passes a while back completely concedes any future grievances on anything other than the bare minimum for the next two groups? Glad we gave that up. I’m sure the company will scratch our backs any day now with more money. Oh wait, they are decreasing profit sharing? Nvmd. Guess I’ll just keep being optimistic for no reason and wasting my life commenting on threads about how the company is probably going to improve my life out of the goodness of its heart. Corporations are people too you know...

Excargodog 03-18-2019 06:16 PM

If flow is the carrot, guess who the donkey is?

bigtime209 03-18-2019 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2785238)
Raises are coming soon, probably right about the time the LAX base is opening up, which according to the FA I flew with today, is right around the corner. Too bad for me though because apparently it’s only going to be a 175 base :(
Glad she already knows the equipment in the non-existent base though, that must mean it’s that much more likely right?
On a side note, did anyone else notice that the flow grievance loa we passes a while back completely concedes any future grievances on anything other than the bare minimum for the next two groups? Glad we gave that up. I’m sure the company will scratch our backs any day now with more money. Oh wait, they are decreasing profit sharing? Nvmd. Guess I’ll just keep being optimistic for no reason and wasting my life commenting on threads about how the company is probably going to improve my life out of the goodness of its heart. Corporations are people too you know...

Ahhhh...good ol' FA intel. I've gotten some great info from FAs. Let's see, off the top of my head some of the great tidbits from FAs I've heard over the years: Mesa was going to be out of DFW by fall of 2013, we'd be adding the extra FA jumpseat to the 175s, the ovens were to be added on the 175, we were opening bases in DCA, PHL, LAX, reopening San Juan. All of these were amongst all kinds of other spot on intel I've gotten from FAs.

bigtime209 03-18-2019 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2785262)
If flow is the carrot, guess who the donkey is?

What's the carrot over your way?

pitchattitude 03-18-2019 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2785238)
Raises are coming soon, probably right about the time the LAX base is opening up, which according to the FA I flew with today, is right around the corner. Too bad for me though because apparently it’s only going to be a 175 base :(
Glad she already knows the equipment in the non-existent base though, that must mean it’s that much more likely right?
On a side note, did anyone else notice that the flow grievance loa we passes a while back completely concedes any future grievances on anything other than the bare minimum for the next two groups? Glad we gave that up. I’m sure the company will scratch our backs any day now with more money. Oh wait, they are decreasing profit sharing? Nvmd. Guess I’ll just keep being optimistic for no reason and wasting my life commenting on threads about how the company is probably going to improve my life out of the goodness of its heart. Corporations are people too you know...

The FA I flew with said that one of the gate agents told him they would let anyone west of DFW change to the 175, even FOs. And because cost of living is so high there that everyone would get pay raises.

So I guess it is true, when they open LAX we will get raises.

wiz5422 03-18-2019 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2785192)
Will you be the first one to lead by example?

Thought so.

During my time, I choose not to apply to the bottom feeders like Mesa. Instead I chosed Eagle an airline that had a 10 year upgrade (the longest at the time) but one of the best contracts at the time.

I also voted no during the bankruptcy contracts willing and able to deal with the Comair threats that were facing us if it happened.

So yes I did lead by example.

Excargodog 03-18-2019 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2785264)
What's the carrot over your way?

My bidding seniority goes up 6-7% per month, as an FO I spent less than a full month on reserve before getting a line, I’m blocking ~81 hours a month, and I should be upgrading at about 15 months, while living in the base I wanted. First year I got a $17.5K bonus and the pay - while not industry leading - is pretty good.

How long did it take you to get a line in your preferred base?

NoValueAviator 03-19-2019 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2785368)
My bidding seniority goes up 6-7% per month, as an FO I spent less than a full month on reserve before getting a line, I’m blocking ~81 hours a month, and I should be upgrading at about 15 months, while living in the base I wanted. First year I got a $17.5K bonus and the pay - while not industry leading - is pretty good.

How long did it take you to get a line in your preferred base?

Sounds like you got the literal best case scenario. Not representative of most hires who are getting flushed down the legacy fleet toilet for now.

pitchattitude 03-19-2019 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2785368)
My bidding seniority goes up 6-7% per month, as an FO I spent less than a full month on reserve before getting a line, I’m blocking ~81 hours a month, and I should be upgrading at about 15 months, while living in the base I wanted. First year I got a $17.5K bonus and the pay - while not industry leading - is pretty good.

How long did it take you to get a line in your preferred base?

So who do you even work for? Based on your post history you seem to be an expert on every regional out there.


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