Envoy's low wages makes the news
 

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/04/2...ional-airport/

Envoy is enabled to pay low wages due to the availability of SNAP and other benefits for low income workers. Those programs were originally designed for unemployed. The biggest corporate bailout programs ever was making those social safety net programs change from serving the unemployed to “low income.”

It allowed places like Envoy to continue paying low substandard wages which increased corporate profits... and forced taxpayers to make up the wage difference with expanded social programs.

Democrats get “credit” for helping the poor, when in reality it helps the corporation by increasing their profits and allowing them to continue paying substandard wages. The corporations love social safety net programs for the same reason, it increases corporate profits which can be reinvested into the company reducing corporate taxes to zero. So, they get the benefit, without paying for it.
Without the safety nets for “Low income” employers would have been forced to raise wages to a living income long long ago.

It’s the biggest scam ever.
Corporations are happy paying lower wages and getting higher profit
Low income folks are happy because the govt “cares” about them.
Democrats are happy because the low income folks are dependent upon them to keep those programs running, keeping them in power.

Return to safety nets for unemployed only, and watch how fast employers are forced to pay a living wage. Employees gain self respect and dignity from no longer needing public assistance, employers are forced to pay realistic wages, and government and politicians aren’t as powerful anymore.

And that is why the system will never change.
Old politicians know how it works.
"We all know what needs to be done to fix it. We just don't know how to get re-elected after we've done it".

Turning a profit off government handouts and cadets parents subsidizing FO wages. :(

It never ceases to amaze me the number of FOs (cadets) living at home with mom and dad. :rolleyes:

In their defense. It's pretty difficult to make ends meet on envoy's $1600/month FO salary.

That’s why Envoy works the cadet program for everything they can. Kids that live at home with no responsibilities that have never had a real job and don’t know any better.

But Swayne made them a video teaching them how to pick up OT.

lololololol

These numbers seem off... I'm not buying it.


But for those who believe this, why does the union let the company get away with it? :confused:

I have wondered the same thing. Class action law suit claiming false advertising? Of course we would have to wait until after it hasn’t happened to prove their numbers were wrong. I don’t know keep screen shots of the Envoy recruiting page lies?

Is Swayne still a thing? I haven't heard or seen anything from him lately.

1600? Where do you come up with these numbers?

On reserve, my first paycheck is around 1100. I pick up OT pretty aggressively, my last second paycheck was 2200. First year new hire FO. Thats 3300, take home, per month.

I find it hard to believe my numbers would be somehow different from normal.

I am convinced more and more each day you are the love child of crj700. Sure, you are getting lucky and live in base. However, more than 60% of our pilot group doesn't live in base and OT isn't as easy to pick up.

I know your next response, so save it. Envoy isn't for commuters blah blah blah. The bottom line is the flow is losing value by the day and we are under paid for what we do. Stop and think about it for a second. On any given day, we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands and millions of dollars of equipment we are responsible for, all for $35000-$40,000 a year while spending a large part of our lives away from loved ones. Let that sink in.

The flow can go away at any time once the PP's are gone and we are left with sub-standard wages with **** poor quality of life. Sure things are great sitting reserve in base, but you are the minority and you can find yourself stuck at Envoy for a long time if things go south. You will wish you didn't defend the company so much and had higher pay.

The real question Dera is why do you consistently come on here and defend the company while trying to justify industry leading bottom wages, qol and reserve rules? What do you have to gain from this?

Stop defending the company and encouraging others to come here, you are doing them a disservice and only helping the company.

He has management potential written all over. ALPA is trying to secure gains for the pilot group as we continue to fall further and further behind our peers and Dera is over here on public forums yakking about how great things are around here.

I just have a problem with lies and half-truths.
You guys seriously think your three-man-campaign here will cause any significant movement on either side?
That's some serious delusion of grandeur right there.

I'm not encouraging anyone to come here. But I'm trying to provide facts, so they can decide it themselves. You just lose all credibility you have when you don't stick to the facts.

I'm not "getting lucky" and live in base - I lived in DFW before I applied, and I am stuck here. There was a chance that I might have had to commute for a bit, who cares? I chose the regional with the most stable DFW base. So far it's working out for me.

And hey, how about this? The best way to secure movement, flow etc, is to get new hires through the door. If that door closes, suddenly we get stagnation, flow restrictions and so on. That's what you want?

Smh dude...

Yeah? Is there something wrong in picking up OT on reserve?

You're thinking of cr700, crj700 is a normal person.

No, not if you like days off.

Yep, 8 days off is great. I wish our reserve rules were better and we could pick up more.

Out of curiosity, is your last name Martin or Warren? Jeezus dude.

i WiSh I cOUld WoRk evERy dAy #livinthedream

Sorry, I forgot you need your 18 days off. You should try a real job for a change, not that anyone would hire you with your work ethic.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This guy is an absolute joke. Unbelievable.

No one should be discouraged from picking up OT. The company would love for us to stop picking up OT. They have the reserve coverage to cover everything so by working OT we are extracting more money out of this stingy company. Especially if you only pick up a turn from a sequence and leave the overnight, still have to burn a reserve.

Yep. OT pays more than PSA rates. Dont see what the problem is picking it up.
The problem is these kids who just don't know how the world works.

E175 Driver is that you? Been a long time glad to see you changed your name.

PSA OT is 200%. Or are you comparing our OT to their regular hourly rate (lol).


Yeah you guys are all lazy. Sure your wife will have a boyfriend while you're gone 80% of the year. You'll be back for 8 days a month so it won't be anything serious.

This explains alot. I'll bet Jody loves you, dude.

Plenty of folks here have worked real jobs before, and I for one have no desire to do that nonsense again. Time off, to do things besides get abused by crew scheduling or make up for other work groups IOT hit BS metrics, is one of the appeals of being an airline pilot in the first place.

Wait, you're comparing our OT to PSA's regular rates? So, while they're making 20% more, and not working on days off, you're at work on a day off saying you make more then a psa pilot? Your logic is ****ed. Also cr700 was Andy in ord cpo, he had permission from Wilson to run that account to counter negativity. Not sure if cr700 is still used by them anymore.

I'm not sure about normal, but I appreciate the clarification. I'm definitely not the other guy.

Not getting involved in the rest of the argument, but this particular statement is not correct. The only time we (PSA) get 200% is during the week that covers Thanksgiving and Christmas. It’s also an LOA for each season. It’s not certain we’ll get that this year.

We used to get critical that paid 150% during the rest of the year that was triggered by the reserve grid. Our union voluntarily gave that up along with a better 125% SDO for our new “premium pay” tier system. The old system was more complicated but it paid better.... and a heck of a lot better if you knew how to use it. I’m making $14/hour (18% raise) more with our new pay rates but will actually only make about 2% more than I was making with the old pay rates and better OT. And that was just using the 125% SDO. Days off are roughly the same, but I didn’t have to work as hard under the old system either.

I’m curious what you guy’s OT is like. Ours isn’t that great.

150% for everything and 200% for critical coverage

So even 150% for normal open time pickup? No strings attached?

Yeah. The string is it has to be available and you have to be able to pick it up.

The OT out of dfw in the 145 is not even worth it most of the time

You don’t want to do an extra overnight to ACT?

The difference ... is that most "real jobs" (M-F 9-5) also have 8 days off a month. However, those guys get evenings at home, and they aren't 1000 miles away when their family needs them. Sure, we only "work" 20 hours in a week, but we are "at work" 100+ hours to get paid for those 20 hours.

That's why the preferred pilot schedule is something like 15 days at 6 hours each (90 hour month). Not this 1 leg and lost day crap. Picking up OT is a band-aid to give some people a little extra cash that brings them closer to industry standard. Giving up 2 days off for 3 hours of pay to do an ACT overnight just isn't worth it.

Don't waste your breath on dera, he's either a troll or in the cpo