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Old 06-13-2019, 01:55 PM
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Been watching this forum closely as my logbook fills up. Currently a cadet and second guessing my choice (I know you guys will tell me to run). I do like the MIA base option and flow even if it’s a 10 year delay.

Anyways due to all the indecision I applied to a few others and have an offer from Republic and PSA but very little time left to decide. Other than the pay/bases I wanted more information on deciding factors and figured a good comparison would be contracts and flight manual details. Do I have access to at least the Envoy one since I am an employee? Any places to get my hands on them?

Also, I know how stupid it sounds to sign up for something without looking at the contract but with the limited amount of experience and information provided and all around me (including senior CFIs) raving about what a good opportunity being a cadet was I jumped on it. Trying to atone for my sins now...
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:56 PM
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Don’t second guess your decision. Pilots are complainers by nature. You can give them gold bars and people would ***** about them having scratches.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fireSHAD0W View Post
Been watching this forum closely as my logbook fills up. Currently a cadet and second guessing my choice (I know you guys will tell me to run). I do like the MIA base option and flow even if it’s a 10 year delay.

Anyways due to all the indecision I applied to a few others and have an offer from Republic and PSA but very little time left to decide. Other than the pay/bases I wanted more information on deciding factors and figured a good comparison would be contracts and flight manual details. Do I have access to at least the Envoy one since I am an employee? Any places to get my hands on them?

Also, I know how stupid it sounds to sign up for something without looking at the contract but with the limited amount of experience and information provided and all around me (including senior CFIs) raving about what a good opportunity being a cadet was I jumped on it. Trying to atone for my sins now...
I don’t think that as a cadet you can access that stuff. And without the others to compare to, you really can’t tell anything anyway.

The Envoy contract is VERY convoluted. If you have been following this forum, then you have seen discussions about how little even people who have been at the company for a while don’t understand. Much of it has been amended with LOAs. Letter of agreement and it is really hard to go back and forth even if you know WTF you’re looking for/at. And again you would have to have the other contracts to compare.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2112 View Post
Don’t second guess your decision. Pilots are complainers by nature. You can give them gold bars and people would ***** about them having scratches.
And those gold bars are just so d@mn heavy too.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:06 PM
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Seems every week someone starts a new thread regarding same topic, why is that.
They must be to lazy to do a simple search.
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Old 06-14-2019, 01:19 AM
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Do you have a degree with a clean record? If so Republic sounds great. Remember AA owns a part of them so they are not going anywhere.

If not, PSA is currently a better choice however if you can wait out another week or so perhaps some progress will be made on our negotiations.
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Old 06-14-2019, 01:43 AM
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If I were picking a regional today I’d look for inertia. Places where raises, improvements, etc happen. This is not one of those places, and never will be. Management is going for blood just to even consider throwing us a paltry raise our peers at Piedmont and PSA already got without much discussion or with back pay. They want concessions on what is widely regarded as a very anti-pilot, concessionary contract, forced on the pilot group under threat of dissolving the airline. If you have specific questions about the contract I’m happy to help in PMs. Otherwise, I’d recommend any thread here about reserve.
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Old 06-14-2019, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
And those gold bars are just so d@mn heavy too.
Yeah, as if we don’t have enough to carry around, and I’m always having to get them shined.
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Old 06-14-2019, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
Do you have a degree with a clean record? If so Republic sounds great. Remember AA owns a part of them so they are not going anywhere.

If not, PSA is currently a better choice however if you can wait out another week or so perhaps some progress will be made on our negotiations.
We are not getting anything in another week or so. Management is not offering anything anywhere close to what any of us will accept.
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Old 06-14-2019, 09:36 AM
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We are not getting anything in another week or so. Management is not offering anything anywhere close to what any of us will accept.
Ok fair enough. Take that part out.
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