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MD-11Loader 06-21-2019 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2840834)
I’m so tempted to pull out their emails and letters demanding pay and work rule concessions 5 years ago an the onset of a pilot shortage. Instead they drove Eagle from 3200 pilots with 7 bases spanning the Western Hemisphere down to two bases with 1500 pilots.
Simply brilliant management going on there....

Instead they got what they wanted and within two months were back starting with improvements because recruiting was falling off. It’s been 4 years of piecemeal improvements. Mostly bandaids to keep enough meat in the seats.
Now they’re screwed, and it’s entirely from their own doing and making. They were told. Instead they killed the messengers.

I’d encourage everybody to not respond to their email attempt at negotiating in public. Send your ideas comments and questions to your union reps.

You are not dealing with ethical, honest or honorable managers.

I don’t think anyone is falling for Tricky Ricky’s plan. Everyone knows the company crapped the bed and screwed up.

Houpilot2001 06-21-2019 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2840862)
I don’t think anyone is falling for Tricky Ricky’s plan. Everyone knows the company crapped the bed and screwed up.

Curious where you see a plan in that email. They basically said what they always say.

(RW, PF, etc.) Sits at desk, opens form email, changes dates and subjects, uses mediocre vague verbiage, blah blah blah, keep up the good work.

Signed, disingenuous.

FUPM.

Cyio 06-21-2019 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2840879)
Curious where you see a plan in that email. They basically said what they always say.

(RW, PF, etc.) Sits at desk, opens form email, changes dates and subjects, uses mediocre vague verbiage, blah blah blah, keep up the good work.

Signed, disingenuous.

FUPM.

Yeah pretty much this, however its the same thing with our union. Everything has to be so hush hush like we are dealing with national secrets. The P2P call this weekend will be exactly like every other P2P call.

1. Dont negotiate in public.
2. The news is that there is no news.
3. Your MEC is working on it

etc. At the end it will be a big nothing show most likely. Managment and our union both need to be more transparent through these processes.

NoValueAviator 06-21-2019 08:31 PM

There are clues in that email. Why is he talking about bonuses? We’ve seen what happens to bonuses around here with the implementation of the retention bonus where most of it is never paid, and with the performance bonus, where if we earn it the criteria changes and the prize shrinks.

MD-11Loader 06-21-2019 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2841182)
There are clues in that email. Why is he talking about bonuses? We’ve seen what happens to bonuses around here with the implementation of the retention bonus where most of it is never paid, and with the performance bonus, where if we earn it the criteria changes and the prize shrinks.

Envoy is a beast, and with any beast, it has to be fed. In this case, the beast chews up young cadets. Envoy will find a way to feed the beast. Maybe via larger bonuses for the cadets, or some sort of differed compensation package. Make no mistake, Envoy cannot afford for the beast to be starving, they will feed it,

ENH017 06-22-2019 03:42 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2841182)
There are clues in that email. Why is he talking about bonuses? We’ve seen what happens to bonuses around here with the implementation of the retention bonus where most of it is never paid, and with the performance bonus, where if we earn it the criteria changes and the prize shrinks.

From what I read, I thought "incorporating certain bonuses into payscales" meant to get rid of bonuses and increase the hourly rate to include the lost money. Which is what we should be looking for, for the reasons you stated.

Cyio 06-22-2019 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by ENH017 (Post 2841237)
From what I read, I thought "incorporating certain bonuses into payscales" meant to get rid of bonuses and increase the hourly rate to include the lost money. Which is what we should be looking for, for the reasons you stated.

Thats how I read it as well. Essentially rolling new hire and fo retention bonuses into their hard pay. Great, that is much better. However that leaves the captain pay scales to contend with.

NoValueAviator 06-22-2019 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by ENH017 (Post 2841237)
From what I read, I thought "incorporating certain bonuses into payscales" meant to get rid of bonuses and increase the hourly rate to include the lost money. Which is what we should be looking for, for the reasons you stated.

Fair enough, I’m at a point with these evil people where all I have to hear is certain trigger words (such as “bonus”) and I’m at DEFCON 1.

Cyio 06-22-2019 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2841248)
Fair enough, I’m at a point with these evil people where all I have to hear is certain trigger words (such as “bonus”) and I’m at DEFCON 1.

You are completely in the right. I think we are all at that point, I came to my conclusion after reading what you said and then going back to the email to re-read it.

EnyFlyr 06-25-2019 05:42 AM

So I hear the flow is going to stop for a while due to the MD80 guys and 73 max, any truth?


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