Pretty sure you did tell us to go find real jobs and to grow up, or something along those lines. I dont have the energy to look it up right now. You know what you said, as do others.

If you honestly think the whole deal was done, well, I dont know what to say. Yeah they spent an intense day of negotiations hammering out the last details, but that certainly didn't encompass the entire process.

I hope our MEC now comes back asking for more to be honest.

I don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak...but this stuff affects us all. I was looking at AAG's quarterly reports/press releases, does anyone know if Envoy specifically has a board and who those members are? Tough to find on the interweb...or maybe it's just me. Easy to find for AAG.

Pedro is the only representative I think. Otherwise, our executive board is AAG, we don’t get one because we are a subsidiary


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That's exactly what it's looking like. Having been on the executive side of things in another industry, this is going to be tough with almost no leverage realistically. "Wholly Owned" is just that....wholly owned. AAG's board (or insert any parent in any industry) is the decision maker. I sure hope that the negotiators knew full well that they were not talking to the guys that could say yea or nay.

Compensation, budgets, bonuses, high value contracts, everything has to be presented to the board for final approval. The subsidiary's executive team has little say so other than making the recommendation to the board. If you've ever been in the board meeting of a publicly traded company..those can go off the rails quickly in a direction you have little control over.

What a stupid argument.

If the company sends negotiators that negotiate poorly, it's the company's (managements) problem. Period. If Envoy were to sign a contract with Embraer (or any outside company) and the board tried to reneg, they would get their a**** sued off.

If the company couldn't negotiate the terms they did, then they shouldn't have. It's not the union's fault that the company got outfoxed.

They signed an agreement, and they need to be held to it.

Kinda like that 1 billion dollar agreement we just signed with GE. Hope GE doesnt get screwed like we did.

It's actually not an argument, but i can see you have a lot of passion around it.

What they signed was an "Agreement in Principle"....by definition that is not a contract. It's not binding and anyone working at that level should know that. Knife to a gunfight.

If you re-read what the union rep wrote..it's stated clearly that they knew what they were signing and it was not a done deal.


That last sentence represents in my experience several more weeks of work, and further "ironing out" that can be a bare knuckles fight.

You are correct with everything but the last part. There was never a chance to work out contractual language. It was just flat rejected before it ever got to that point.

No no no, during the bankruptcy they AAG made it perfectly clear, Envoy negotiates with who group sends.... be it Bartle & Pappi, Glass, or on the rare occasion Pedro, or Pedro and another AAG Officer.
If they agreed to something, then they had authority to in advance.