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OldBiff 06-19-2019 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2838947)
They write language that later they’ll say means something other than what you thought. They’ll then use the arbitration process to push the CBA even a little farther. It’s all a game to them.

This isn’t a thing if you have a good attorney reviewing a contract. Either it’s correct or you failed to properly define the terms. Anything left open is just that. Pilots crack me up when they talk about faith and their fee fees about what should happen, the reason you have a contract is to lock down exactly what all of those things mean. If it’s not in the words of the contract it doesn’t exist. I don’t know what kind of cut rate bumbler attorney we have, but if they signed off on the current contract we should no longer retain their services.

Cyio 06-19-2019 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by OldBiff (Post 2839400)
This isn’t a thing if you have a good attorney reviewing a contract. Either it’s correct or you failed to properly define the terms. Anything left open is just that. Pilots crack me up when they talk about faith and their fee fees about what should happen, the reason you have a contract is to lock down exactly what all of those things mean. If it’s not in the words of the contract it doesn’t exist. I don’t know what kind of cut rate bumbler attorney we have, but if they signed off on the current contract we should no longer retain their services.

We’ve had the same guy for something like 20 years.

Bassman1985 06-19-2019 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2839421)
We’ve had the same guy for something like 20 years.

And one crappy contract after another...what was the definition of insanity?

Houpilot2001 06-19-2019 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2839302)
The 20 FB-active pilots have unified, but it's not widespread. I just flew a trip with a CA who bragged about how much fuel he saves every single trip. "We will shut down the APU for 10 minutes, that saves us 30 pounds of fuel".
Actual quote.

The captains need some balls. Right now, some of them don't seem to have any. Stop blaming the new hires. The problem is way more senior than that.

Save 30 pounds from the apu to offset the lazy rampers wasting thousands of gallons a day by not doing their jobs.

That's rich.

Cujo665 06-19-2019 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by OldBiff (Post 2839400)
This isn’t a thing if you have a good attorney reviewing a contract. Either it’s correct or you failed to properly define the terms. Anything left open is just that. Pilots crack me up when they talk about faith and their fee fees about what should happen, the reason you have a contract is to lock down exactly what all of those things mean. If it’s not in the words of the contract it doesn’t exist. I don’t know what kind of cut rate bumbler attorney we have, but if they signed off on the current contract we should no longer retain their services.

Wanna bet it’s a thing regardless of who or how carefully they wrote it? Ask somebody about 12.E.1. Sometime. Or how the 824 came into existence, or how the protected pilot group came into existence. They will argue over the meaning of the word “is.”

Cujo665 06-19-2019 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2839337)
Lifers don’t give a damn about fuel. I’ve only ever had lifers demand APU on for t/o and landing to mitigate pressure bumps lol

I used to run it gate to 10,000 and 10,000 to the gate when landing if the ATIS said heavy bird activity at the airport. Popping an engine is bad enough, but dealing with EDL shutting crap off, or if both got wiped out a sudden electrical emergency onto standby gauges just didn’t work for me. APU on for safety.

BIueSideUp 06-19-2019 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2839302)
The 20 FB-active pilots have unified, but it's not widespread. I just flew a trip with a CA who bragged about how much fuel he saves every single trip. "We will shut down the APU for 10 minutes, that saves us 30 pounds of fuel".
Actual quote.

The captains need some balls. Right now, some of them don't seem to have any. Stop blaming the new hires. The problem is way more senior than that.

Let him do it and then when you start it back up ask him if he knows what the company pays each time you hit the start button on that leased APU.

MD-11Loader 06-19-2019 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2839337)
Lifers don’t give a damn about fuel. I’ve only ever had lifers demand APU on for t/o and landing to mitigate pressure bumps lol

Oh they joy of flying with the mullet. I wonder how he’s doing on the heavy? Terrorizing young and impressionable cadets no doubt.

buddies8 06-19-2019 10:45 AM

Right if you say so. We are not here to hold anyones hand, they got a lot of bonus money, time to grow up. Besides apu use is captains choice on or off not f/o's unless mel instructed on or off. If thats your biggest problem here, you have issues

Iowa Farm Boy 06-19-2019 01:23 PM

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This was intentional. ENY mgt. knows better than to "exceed their authority." Good luck- keep fighting the good fight.


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