Known quantity? The only guys who got sent back thru the training system at my carrier were exmil. All of civ pukes made it through without issue. I guess the Airbus is a tough plane to learn for them or something.

When you talk to regional folks in the training dept by far their highest pass rate is with young ex-CFIs out of the entire demographic.

The worst absuer we had was an ex mil guy who went out on disability and collected from the company but then flew fighters as an IP for his guard unit. After that some big restrictions were put in place on taking disability. Just like anything it only takes a few to ruin it.

Lol you will take any opportunity you have to put down other pilots. Whose side are you on? Oh you've "heard stories" in your less than one year on property. I wonder from who. Just wait till something happens that only affects a small group of pilots and you happen to be in it.

Yeah, I don't think this happens to dera.

Exactly and if by some chance they are a pilot, they are in position that won't be affected. Dera is unique, I haven't met someone that has such a disdain for their fellow pilots that it oozes out of every post they make even when unintended. Why anyone would go to them for advice is beyond me as they clearly don't work the same job and for the same company as the rest of us.

Spot on. Newly minted CFIs that go to a partner academy and sign with Envoy far and away blow the socks off everyone else in training. Like it or not, the pipeline program is a gold mine for talent and is the future for Envoy.

"The future of Envoy is any idiot from ATP."

You just made me spit my coffee through my nose. Thanks for the laugh.

"We like people that live in mommy's basement they will work for much less"

Having been through six airline initials and having had extensive training experiences with people of both backgrounds I can conclude that there are as many variables amongst mil guys as there are amongst civilians when comparing equal experience levels. Comparing a civilian candidate with 10 years of experience to a military one with 10 years experience should net a similar result in terms of (in)consistency. I think some civilians tend to forget to account for previous military experience. Some (US) military guys tend to think their training and experience is of higher value without really knowing the challenges of the civilian path. ...humble bragging and reminders of service galore.

The reality is that when a 10 year pilot is screened at the major level that person has already been thoroughly vetted. I think the strong preference for Military guys is a political one. Airlines have no beef hiring people with less experience and they are hungry to show support for popular social groups: Mil, woman, lgbt and select minorities.

Whatever, you can CFI bash all you want but the best sticks are usually ex-CFIs and so are the best book people. What the CFIs lack generally is good judgment, especially now when ATP CFIs are paid 1/5 of the going rate after taxes and are applying to the ENVOY cadet program. It’s still a coup by recruitment though, anyone who teaches 1500 hours at ATP does NOT need money, mom and dad have it. And these people will make adequate FOs for a year or two. What happens after that, well... hopefully nothing lol