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Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 2859180)
Once again, we are left in the dark by our union. Does anyone have hard and accurate information regarding this deal? The way it seems as of now is pretty lackluster without all the details.
Originally Posted by But seriously
(Post 2859185)
I’ve lost track, is this the 10th time, or the 11th time they’ve “announced intentions to discuss changing RSV rules”?
What we got as far as I can tell: -Pay raises. No, I have not seen the details but I'm guessing they're in line with Piedmont. -A small group of pilots will flow a little faster. Some of us will benefit as much as 3 months. Some not at all. -Sim check airman get a higher monthly guarantee. Did I miss something? :mad: |
Originally Posted by But seriously
(Post 2859185)
I’ve lost track, is this the 10th time, or the 11th time they’ve “announced intentions to discuss changing RSV rules”?
This weekend, Envoy management transmitted to your MEC a Protocol Agreement... Finally, the company included its intent to continue discussing reserve changes that would include a long call system. I interpret this that the company sent over an outline with pay, flow, training center, and reserve. After several days of extensive negotiations and back and forth discussions, the company made a formal proposal...the MEC agreed to implement the terms of the company's proposal. I interpret this as saying that after negotiations, the outlined changes discussed above were finalized without language. ...was spent with members of Envoy management finalizing contract language. To me, it sounds as if once the finalized language is published, it will include the rates, flow language, and hopefully the new reserve rules. I could be wrong, and absolutely agree this sounds vague but that is the way I interpreted the MEC brief. |
Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
(Post 2859271)
This weekend, Envoy management transmitted to your MEC a Protocol Agreement... Finally, the company included its intent to continue discussing reserve changes that would include a long call system. I interpret this that the company sent over an outline with pay, flow, training center, and reserve. |
Originally Posted by skyemiles2
(Post 2859292)
I read this as they said they’re still willing to talk about it, but that the proposal was limited to pay and the small flow adjustment.
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Originally Posted by skyemiles2
(Post 2859292)
I read this as they said they’re still willing to talk about it, but that the proposal was limited to pay and the small flow adjustment.
Each and every time it’s been their genuine intent to negotiate positive changes to the reserve system. It will never happen while the MEC continues handing them bandaids. They aren’t giving you this because you deserve it. They are giving the absolute minimum they have to in order to keep a sufficient number of new hires coming in the door. You finally have leverage. Don’t waste it. Call your LEC reps. Have them tell the company the same as the company did to them on the AIP... we’re sorry, it turns out this is a significant change requiring a pilot vote. Pull it back from them the way they did to you. Then vote no. This is your opportunity. The opportunity here is to get back the full 50% of all AA new hire positions language for everybody in addition to the raises and decent reserve rules. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2859411)
This is your opportunity. The opportunity here is to get back the full 50% of all AA new hire positions language for everybody in addition to the raises and decent reserve rules.
You know that ship has sailed, right? With two other players in the flow game, the 50% is not gonna happen. The 50% was never part of the current contract for pilots who joined after DOS. I mean, wasn't it you who gave it away? |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2859411)
Call your LEC reps. Have them tell the company the same as the company did to them on the AIP... we’re sorry, it turns out this is a significant change requiring a pilot vote. Pull it back from them the way they did to you. Then vote no.
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2859430)
Oh man... would I LOVE this!
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2859411)
Reserve rules and LOA’s were in 2015 and again in 2017, and now their written intent to negotiate in 2019. None ever passed or made to a pilot vote. Either the company or union always backed out.
Each and every time it’s been their genuine intent to negotiate positive changes to the reserve system. It will never happen while the MEC continues handing them bandaids. They aren’t giving you this because you deserve it. They are giving the absolute minimum they have to in order to keep a sufficient number of new hires coming in the door. You finally have leverage. Don’t waste it. Call your LEC reps. Have them tell the company the same as the company did to them on the AIP... we’re sorry, it turns out this is a significant change requiring a pilot vote. Pull it back from them the way they did to you. Then vote no. This is your opportunity. The opportunity here is to get back the full 50% of all AA new hire positions language for everybody in addition to the raises and decent reserve rules. We could use more guys like you at the top, Cuj. It’s been nothing but bandaids for so long now. This place misses you, man. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
All those emails with tough talk from the union and this is what they settle for. Embarrassing
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