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What are you guys doing? The pay raise is no longer a discussion it is done. Now is the time to get new hires in so the flow is not going to slow down. Time to get new hires into Envoy!
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
(Post 2912219)
Says every overbearing, know it all FO. :rolleyes:
(not saying YOU are that guy, but the VERY FEW FO’s I had issues with when I was with Eagle were universally weak, yet overbearing A-type personalities. Thankfully, the overwhelming majority were not, and were awesome pilots and people, but there were a few memorable douchebag FO’s who tried mightily to overpower me, to no avail. Remember too that you were once that brand new FO who needed babysitting by your captains for your first few hundred hours in type - or at the airline. New captains on type definitely need and want help and assistance from their experienced FO’s for their first few hundred hours in type, but don’t need or want the FO’s to take over the operation and be the quasi captains. The company nor the FAA condones that.) And you are naive if you think “merit” at any company isn’t based on a good old boys club system. That system upgrades some of the most unqualified, inept pilots flying for any given company - usually a corporate or charter type of operation. If you’re reading this and you like putting people in their place and making sure they stay in their lane etc etc., try this alternative on for size: “I know you’re trying to help, but I’m ultimately responsible for that.” |
Originally Posted by dk104444
(Post 2912763)
What are you guys doing? The pay raise is no longer a discussion it is done. Now is the time to get new hires in so the flow is not going to slow down. Time to get new hires into Envoy!
Our “goal” isn’t to get pilots here. It should be to help new hires make the best choice for themselves. Nothing sours a new hire faster than learning recruiters/ management weren’t completely honest. |
Originally Posted by dk104444
(Post 2912763)
What are you guys doing? The pay raise is no longer a discussion it is done. Now is the time to get new hires in so the flow is not going to slow down. Time to get new hires into Envoy!
The choice is solely in their hands. |
How many hours can a new hire expect to fly first year? Hoping for ORD base.
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Originally Posted by Skigsfly
(Post 2912924)
How many hours can a new hire expect to fly first year? Hoping for ORD base.
Should easily get 750 or so durning second year if you get anything but LGA. |
Ouch only 200-300 first year.. So expect lots of sitting on reserve for the first year? Which airframe would you ideally fly more first and second year?
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Originally Posted by Skigsfly
(Post 2912975)
Ouch only 200-300 first year.. So expect lots of sitting on reserve for the first year? Which airframe would you ideally fly more first and second year?
Expect the absolute worst case scenario. Be able to accept the plane and base you don’t want and plan to move or have a crappy commute. Expect to be on reserve for six months. Repeat when you make captain. If you expect the worst and it is better than you expected then you aren’t disappointed. |
Originally Posted by Skigsfly
(Post 2912975)
Ouch only 200-300 first year.. So expect lots of sitting on reserve for the first year? Which airframe would you ideally fly more first and second year?
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 2912994)
It has been variable. There has been a lot of shifting around and people hired a few classes apart to the same airframe and base have seen vastly different experiences.
Expect the absolute worst case scenario. Be able to accept the plane and base you don’t want and plan to move or have a crappy commute. Expect to be on reserve for six months. Repeat when you make captain. If you expect the worst and it is better than you expected then you aren’t disappointed. |
I know people getting 700+ first year. 200-300 is sand bagging
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It’s random as hell, but I got 300 hours in my first 5 months here. If you get the 145, your pretty much screwed.
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Originally Posted by Crimson37Roger
(Post 2913132)
It’s random as hell, but I got 300 hours in my first 5 months here. If you get the 145, your pretty much screwed.
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I had 150 hours 12 month on property. November 17 hire
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Don’t get the disinfo campaign. 300 first year is sandbagging? I had 140 hours at the end of year one. Proffered for everything, always on the turnback list, and bid the reserve shifts most likely to get called. It’s slow here on the 145, especially when they overstaff it as they like to do.
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Originally Posted by f16jetmech
(Post 2913203)
I had 150 hours 12 month on property. November 17 hire
Lots of variables involved here. |
Originally Posted by Naviator
(Post 2913226)
I had 550 hours 12 months on property. November 17 hire.
Lots of variables involved here. |
Originally Posted by rld1k
(Post 2913032)
I know people getting 700+ first year. 200-300 is sand bagging
Say you start school in January, figure three months to finish everything. Let’s say, under an extremely unlucky scenario, you immediately get a line with your first month being full. Most don’t finish IOE perfectly in time to both bid and fly their first month as a line holder. Anyway, even if this happened, you would have 9 months times 74 hours still puts you under 700 for the remaining year. The more likely scenario is that you will finish school and hit the reserve list for six months. You may get flying you may not, all depends on seniority and time of year. There are outliers here but really let’s not talk the extreme end of things. If you plan on 300 hours your first year and 750-900 your second you won’t be disappointed. |
Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 2913378)
This isn’t the norm by any stretch. If you want to believe it is, I have some beach front property to sell you.
Say you start school in January, figure three months to finish everything. Let’s say, under an extremely unlucky scenario, you immediately get a line with your first month being full. Most don’t finish IOE perfectly in time to both bid and fly their first month as a line holder. Anyway, even if this happened, you would have 9 months times 74 hours still puts you under 700 for the remaining year. The more likely scenario is that you will finish school and hit the reserve list for six months. You may get flying you may not, all depends on seniority and time of year. There are outliers here but really let’s not talk the extreme end of things. If you plan on 300 hours your first year and 750-900 your second you won’t be disappointed. It’s all about timing and it’s difficult to predict as AA keeps changing the flight file. |
Originally Posted by f16jetmech
(Post 2913280)
175 I presume? Or 145 lga. I regret going ORD for sure... Just thought it'd be an easier commute out of dfw. You don't know what you don't know. Is what it is. I have better seniority when I upgrade now!
2 years to the day indoc to QU. |
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