Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2914841)

Pros and cons.... Let me explain Envoy to you in a way that might make sense and also help you understand everyone’s comments.

So when people tell you about Envoy and say it’s great or horrible believe them because that is their experience. Envoy has 4 bases and 3 ( soon to be 2) aircraft and depending on date of hire and base they will have completely different experiences. A pilot hired in early 2017 that went to ORD 145 held a line pretty much out of training. At one point in the spring of 2017 there were more lines than FOs in Chicago. Fast forward to fall/winter of 2017 and the reserve list in ORD was over 160 pilots. All of them fighting to fly and build time. Same plane and base but two drastically different experiences in less than a year. From their in the Spring of 18 those pilots were like I’m getting out of here and headed to DFW well so did EVERYONE else and bam now DFW is over staffed and people are stuck on reserve but line holders are at least able to drop stuff now. Pilots hired into the 175 seem to have a pretty predictable path from training to holding a line. So when someone tells you about how Envoy is the worst and someone else tells you how awesome it is then believe both of them. Also, view the pros and cons arguments as you have to get through the cons to get to the pros. It’s going to take a while for you my south Florida friend to get to the pros unless you live within driving distance to MIA.

Originally Posted by f16jetmech (Post 2915337)

This is a fantastic and accurate portrayal of life at envoy. I was the above late 2017 hire that got stuck in ORD then stuck on RSV in Dallas. Had 150 hours on the books on my 12 month anniversary with the company. It was rough but will make the captain upgrade a bit sweeter. I can hold any base any equipment.

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2914841)

Pros and cons.... Let me explain Envoy to you in a way that might make sense and also help you understand everyone’s comments.

So when people tell you about Envoy and say it’s great or horrible believe them because that is their experience. Envoy has 4 bases and 3 ( soon to be 2) aircraft and depending on date of hire and base they will have completely different experiences. A pilot hired in early 2017 that went to ORD 145 held a line pretty much out of training. At one point in the spring of 2017 there were more lines than FOs in Chicago. Fast forward to fall/winter of 2017 and the reserve list in ORD was over 160 pilots. All of them fighting to fly and build time. Same plane and base but two drastically different experiences in less than a year. From their in the Spring of 18 those pilots were like I’m getting out of here and headed to DFW well so did EVERYONE else and bam now DFW is over staffed and people are stuck on reserve but line holders are at least able to drop stuff now. Pilots hired into the 175 seem to have a pretty predictable path from training to holding a line. So when someone tells you about how Envoy is the worst and someone else tells you how awesome it is then believe both of them. Also, view the pros and cons arguments as you have to get through the cons to get to the pros. It’s going to take a while for you my south Florida friend to get to the pros unless you live within driving distance to MIA.

Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2915431)

As long as we’re comparing regionals to regionals, majors to majors, legacies to legacies:

Living in base is everything. Nothing else is going to trump that. You live in Miami? Work for an airline with a base in Miami. Bid for the airplane that will get you based in Miami even if you’ll have to commute short term somewhere else.

That said. Envoy’s Miami base is really small (and senior last I checked). I’m not sure Envoy is the best place if you need a Miami base. I don’t fully know Miami situation well because I don’t need to, but I have to think there’s a better option there.

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2915405)

Really good points that I didn’t consider! The main reason I ask is because I live driving distance to MIA and would like to avoid a commute if possible.

With that said, I was also rooms that the 175 is QOL friendly and that’s the A/C to be on and not because it’s the shiny jet with the engine under its wings. If that was the case, would it be better to bid the 175 and just commute? I figured that the 145 isn’t so bad if you live in base. Just trying to do my homework is all.

Originally Posted by CheewiesCopilot (Post 2915359)

Any idea of when you will get called in for the flow ?? Also is envoy still forcing a contract for new hireS.

Originally Posted by CheewiesCopilot (Post 2914494)

Going to Envoy and I wanna know what are the pros and cons of working there

Originally Posted by LHSmith (Post 2918630)

Good luck. If you need the experience, it's a place in which to attain that. If you need to get recurrent after a short hiatus from aviation, it's one of many places in which to do it.



I was hired 13 months ago as a direct entry captain for the latter reason and am leaving in a few days for a major airline. 19 years ago, Comair had better reserve rules and quality of life than ENY does in 2019. In 2001, we did an 89 day ALPA strike, yet the climate was far less abrasive and contentious leading up to the strike than it is here at present day ENY during normal, everyday operations.



ENY's problem is the culture. It's miserable. I have never seen such disdain and contempt between management and the work groups; all work groups. The culture that is present is one propagated down directly from AA and will never change.



If I knew a year ago what I know now, I would have reattained my currency elsewhere. ENY is a miserable place to work, in my opinion.



This is merely my opinion based on 13 months of hand-on observation. There will be those that agree with me and those that do not; to each his own. I would not recommend ENY to anyone.

Originally Posted by LHSmith (Post 2918630)

Good luck. If you need the experience, it's a place in which to attain that. If you need to get recurrent after a short hiatus from aviation, it's one of many places in which to do it.

I was hired 13 months ago as a direct entry captain for the latter reason and am leaving in a few days for a major airline. 19 years ago, Comair had better reserve rules and quality of life than ENY does in 2019. In 2001, we did an 89 day ALPA strike, yet the climate was far less abrasive and contentious leading up to the strike than it is here at present day ENY during normal, everyday operations.

ENY's problem is the culture. It's miserable. I have never seen such disdain and contempt between management and the work groups; all work groups. The culture that is present is one propagated down directly from AA and will never change.

If I knew a year ago what I know now, I would have reattained my currency elsewhere. ENY is a miserable place to work, in my opinion.

This is merely my opinion based on 13 months of hand-on observation. There will be those that agree with me and those that do not; to each his own. I would not recommend ENY to anyone.