Pros and cons
 

Going to Envoy and I wanna know what are the pros and cons of working there

Pros:
1. Not THE best, but near the best pay in the regional business at the moment.

2. Flow to American in your back pocket, should take anywhere from 5-10 years but it’s there if you need it. Don’t rely on it.

3. Commutable bases and a good commuting policy with 6 mulligans a year and 4 hotels per month. Lot of regionals don’t offer commuter hotels.

Cons:
1. The relationship between the pilot group and the management is constantly pretty sour. Management can be really conniving.

2. Reserve rules aren’t great.

3. You’ll probably sit for a while once you get to the middle of the reserve list as an FO, especially in ORD or LGA.


The pros outweigh the cons in my book.
A lot depends on where you live.

For a South Florida native, what’s people’s opinion between Envoy or Republic? Solids choices as far as regionals go

If ever traveling through one of the Envoy bases & you see Envoy pilots speak to them. You’ll get the best sense of reality and feedback in person, on a more detailed level. Speak to a few. That’s how it use to be done back in the days before web boards filled with recruiters, company cheerleaders, never happy grunts, complainers, union helpers, line check airmen’s, sim instructors or their best friends and alter egos.

Happy hunting. May the odds be in your favor.

i'm not sure how miami is on the republic side, but Envoy has only a very small base there, and it is extremely senior. Republic keeps getting the better (and growing ) share of our regional flying in NY and, i believe MIA.

Pros and cons.... Let me explain Envoy to you in a way that might make sense and also help you understand everyone’s comments.

So when people tell you about Envoy and say it’s great or horrible believe them because that is their experience. Envoy has 4 bases and 3 ( soon to be 2) aircraft and depending on date of hire and base they will have completely different experiences. A pilot hired in early 2017 that went to ORD 145 held a line pretty much out of training. At one point in the spring of 2017 there were more lines than FOs in Chicago. Fast forward to fall/winter of 2017 and the reserve list in ORD was over 160 pilots. All of them fighting to fly and build time. Same plane and base but two drastically different experiences in less than a year. From their in the Spring of 18 those pilots were like I’m getting out of here and headed to DFW well so did EVERYONE else and bam now DFW is over staffed and people are stuck on reserve but line holders are at least able to drop stuff now. Pilots hired into the 175 seem to have a pretty predictable path from training to holding a line. So when someone tells you about how Envoy is the worst and someone else tells you how awesome it is then believe both of them. Also, view the pros and cons arguments as you have to get through the cons to get to the pros. It’s going to take a while for you my south Florida friend to get to the pros unless you live within driving distance to MIA.

Couldn’t have put it better myself. Had a buddy that got hired to 145 ORD back in the spring of ‘16, had to do a part 121 checkride and he was stuck on RSV hating the commute and QOL.

I got hired Summer of ‘16 and had a paid vacation waiting for the 175 DFW. One month of RSV and had a great time.

It’s all about timing and luck. Unfortunately you don’t know how the dice will roll until you get in class and pick your equipment and base.

This is all very accurate information and like said, it really all depends on the luck of the draw whether you will win or lose here. Either way, the flow is a nice backup, your paychecks come on time, health insurance is average and I have been told our dental is better than most. Generally if you don't abuse the systems here, you will be left alone and not hassled over the occasional sick calls.

The commuter policy is nice, however I would almost always suggest to live in base if you can.

With all of that, management and the pilot group have a lot of animosity towards each other although I think that will start to improve once the remaining PP's flow too AA. Reserve rules have some glaring negatives that really do need to be fixed.

All in all, while I am often a pilot advocate on these boards, I have had a pretty good run here at Envoy. I was lucky with bonuses, aircraft, upgrade and seniority. Managment and I have not had any interactions beyond the occasional email for a commuter/sick call.

Your mileage will vary.

You make a very valid point. Wait 3 aircraft are they still flying the CRJ?

For all intents and purposes, no.