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CLE to IAH 01-15-2020 06:06 PM

Off topic but is it possible to block/ignore a poster?

mainlineAF 01-15-2020 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2957271)
You'll make more at K4 than AA, and never commute ever again.



I'd be gone yesterday.



Make more at kalitta? Uh, no.

trip 01-15-2020 07:08 PM

3.5 years will be a blink of the eye in this biz, stay put.

pitchattitude 01-15-2020 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2957691)
Make more at kalitta? Uh, no.

Not necessarily. Depends how long you have to flow and how long you have left until retirement. If already 55 + and several years (3 or more) until flow, probably would do better.

And the positive space from home is a good deal, especially if you would otherwise have to commute.

Is the schedule for everyone, no. But someone 55+ is likely either already divorced or has a relationship that can deal with it.

shinydiscoballs 01-16-2020 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by CardboardCutout (Post 2957449)
I'm at Omni and love it. Right now it's highly improbable that you'd ever have it happen, but in theory you *could* get 38 days in a row. I believe Kalitta is similar. Something to think about.

Now, that said, I've never had back to back rotations, and I've had my override days used exactly once in a year. I'm averaging more like 12-14 days on per month, going to cool places, making decent money, and upgrades are currently available whenever you have the time and are up to the challenge. I couldn't be much happier and am thrilled to be here But who knows what tomorrow holds...and we *are* owned by ATSG.

I can't wait more then 3 years for the flow honestly, a lot can happen between now and then with too many negative variables; now the decision comes to which one Omni or Kalitta. I can be a captain in 3 years at either company and make some serious coin to support my family.

Thank you

pitchattitude 01-16-2020 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2957963)
I can't wait more then 3 years for the flow honestly, a lot can happen between now and then with too many negative variables; now the decision comes to which one Omni or Kalitta. I can be a captain in 3 years at either company and make some serious coin to support my family.

Thank you

Kalitta is freight only. As I understand the only other crew member is a mechanic and or engineer. No pax unless it is a handler for animals. Something to consider.

Omni MIGHT have more variety with the pax side.

Pick your lifestyle.

bigboeings 01-16-2020 11:40 AM

I'd go Omni.

uavking 01-16-2020 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2957963)
I can't wait more then 3 years for the flow honestly, a lot can happen between now and then with too many negative variables; now the decision comes to which one Omni or Kalitta. I can be a captain in 3 years at either company and make some serious coin to support my family.

Thank you

If you're set on going to an ACMI, go Omni between the two. Good variety of places they go for those DOD charters. The FAs are good folks (having worked with a couple at a previous job). The LAS-HNL scheduled stuff seems like a good deal if you can get it.

SilentLurker 01-16-2020 04:19 PM

CJO @ Kalitta & Omni
 
[MENTION=92323]shinydiscoballs[/MENTION] Congrats for not waiting on the flow & applying yourself! Big deal, wise move!

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Which of the two:

Less likely to be sold, purchased, or sea-sawed by Bezos? (if you personally distrust AMZ’s future plays)

more likely to be sold or bought by FedEx/UPS?

Is more likely to grow?

more likely to have retirement/seniority list movement.

more likely to maintain present condition, prestige, health in 10-20years?

Pilot group most likely to be supported by owner/family/top level leadership, parent company.

best able to not only survive but thrive under smaller government/DOD budget and spending under a Democratic President in office.

Most capable historically of supporting its pilot group & families in the event of economic downturn.

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Would you rather work for:

Publicly traded company with shareholders, Warrants owed or reserved for another institution, or a Privately owned, family controller company. (Which corporate structure would you prefer to work under).

Fleet type and flexibility

Crew dynamics

Culture of owners and company/companies dynamic

Stability over the past 5.

Sustainability for the next 10-20 years.

positive leadership stability over the last 5-10yrs.

positive leadership sustainability potential over the next 10-20.

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I’ll edit to add more if I can. Hope this helps

Cujo665 01-16-2020 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2957963)
I can't wait more then 3 years for the flow honestly, a lot can happen between now and then with too many negative variables; now the decision comes to which one Omni or Kalitta. I can be a captain in 3 years at either company and make some serious coin to support my family.

Thank you

You’ll make more money at Kalitta. You’ll rarely break guarantee at Omni. There are special programs that have a higher guarantee, but require a higher security clearance. Those pay an 80 hour guarantee. The regular guarantee is 64. Omni does pax only, no cargo at this time.

honestly, with only three years to go, I’d hold out for Delta, United, Fedex, UPS or just flow to AA. The trip variety, base selection, company size, fleet variety, travel benefits, retirement travel, and a higher earning potential including a 16% direct contribution all make life better at a Legacy than any LCC or ACMI.

the real question is can you put up with three more years at Envoy to get an even better job for the rest of your life than what you’re being offered today? We’re about the same as a decent LCC. Unless you’re over 50 or absolutely won’t make three years, I’d hold out for the Delta, United, Fedex/UPS and an AA flow.


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