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goinaround 01-18-2020 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2957209)
Hello everyone,
I am having a difficult time trying to decide what's right for me. I am 39 years old and have about 3.5 years to flow
to AA approximately. My goal has always been to work for a legacy and fly heavies but AA right now doesn't look very healthy as a company with over 35 billion in debt. I have a family but am pessimistic about the schedules of Kalitta & Omni with being gone for 2 weeks at a time etc., but when home I will be home; no crash pads and or commuting. I would like if some ex. Envoy guys can put light and share their experiences and quality of life stories here so it can make it easier to make a decision and what is right for me and my family.

It's been a few months since K4 has handed out any CJOs. Are you in a pool of some kind?

Cyio 01-18-2020 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2958989)
This time it is you with the interesting comments. You just helped my argument 10 fold. Essentially in a nutshell you said:

It isn’t worth it to go to Omni or a similar carrier. You will regret it.

And....the flow is dropping to 3 years. The only upside to Envoy, assuming he already has 1000 hours PIC, is that AA is about 3 years away.

Nice try, go back and actually read the thread. He was referencing what the OP said was his flow time, not that any of us actually believe the flow for a new hire will be 3 years.

Tyrion also made it very clear that AA would only be a win if it meant he didnt have to stay at OMNI, but that virtually every other major would be better.

Cujo665 01-18-2020 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2959283)
Nice try, go back and actually read the thread. He was referencing what the OP said was his flow time, not that any of us actually believe the flow for a new hire will be 3 years.

Tyrion also made it very clear that AA would only be a win if it meant he didnt have to stay at OMNI, but that virtually every other major would be better.

Omni & Kalitta are about on par with Frontier, Spirit, Jetblue. If you like home basing, positive space real tickets and keeping the air miles and hotel points and never needing a crashpad... and can work with either one 16 day long trip or two shorter trips then go to the ACMI. If you like the on/off variety from traditional style lines go to one of the LCC’s.

For me, getting 2-4 weeks off at every transition is priceless once you get used to one longer trip of 14-16 days away. The 777 guys sit home reserve much more. First year pay goes to $124ph in April. 64 hr guarantee. Top step CA under this contract is $297ph

If he’s over 50 or seriously will not survive three years at Envoy, then go. K4 or Omni are very both good careers. The difference in how management treats their pilots here is simply shocking after so many years of Envoy abuse.

If I were under 50 (I’m not) and had the choice of three years making $100k as an Envoy CA then walking into AA or coming here to Omni... and if I could survive the AAG stupidity, I’d stay at Envoy and go to AA.

pitchattitude 01-18-2020 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2959514)
Omni & Kalitta are about on par with Frontier, Spirit, Jetblue. If you like home basing, positive space real tickets and keeping the air miles and hotel points and never needing a crashpad... and can work with either one 16 day long trip or two shorter trips then go to the ACMI. If you like the on/off variety from traditional style lines go to one of the LCC’s.

For me, getting 2-4 weeks off at every transition is priceless once you get used to one longer trip of 14-16 days away. The 777 guys sit home reserve much more. First year pay goes to $124ph in April. 64 hr guarantee. Top step CA under this contract is $297ph

If he’s over 50 or seriously will not survive three years at Envoy, then go. K4 or Omni are very both good careers. The difference in how management treats their pilots here is simply shocking after so many years of Envoy abuse.

If I were under 50 (I’m not) and had the choice of three years making $100k as an Envoy CA then walking into AA or coming here to Omni... and if I could survive the AAG stupidity, I’d stay at Envoy and go to AA.

If only a captain could make $100K for those three plus years waiting to flow. Even adding in per diem, that’s assuming you can consistently pick up 12-15 hours OT every month. Just doesn’t happen.

Cujo665 01-18-2020 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2959522)
If only a captain could make $100K for those three plus years waiting to flow. Even adding in per diem, that’s assuming you can consistently pick up 12-15 hours OT every month. Just doesn’t happen.

since when? Our CA’s used to bust $100 regularly. What’s an average 4 day trip worth these days?
Used to be 20-26 on average. The occasional heart stopper 28 hour 4 day trip showed up every once in a while too. We had very few lost days too which I hear is common now.

THKooj 01-18-2020 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2959514)
Omni & Kalitta are about on par with Frontier, Spirit, Jetblue. If you like home basing, positive space real tickets and keeping the air miles and hotel points and never needing a crashpad... and can work with either one 16 day long trip or two shorter trips then go to the ACMI. If you like the on/off variety from traditional style lines go to one of the LCC’s.

For me, getting 2-4 weeks off at every transition is priceless once you get used to one longer trip of 14-16 days away. The 777 guys sit home reserve much more. First year pay goes to $124ph in April. 64 hr guarantee. Top step CA under this contract is $297ph

If he’s over 50 or seriously will not survive three years at Envoy, then go. K4 or Omni are very both good careers. The difference in how management treats their pilots here is simply shocking after so many years of Envoy abuse.

If I were under 50 (I’m not) and had the choice of three years making $100k as an Envoy CA then walking into AA or coming here to Omni... and if I could survive the AAG stupidity, I’d stay at Envoy and go to AA.

Cool story brah. Seriously, have you ever considered selling cars? Look, we've heard this sales pitch enough here. Why dont you pitch in the Omni thread? You aren't getting any takers here.

Slow2Final 01-18-2020 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2959529)
Cool story brah. Seriously, have you ever considered selling cars? Look, we've heard this sales pitch enough here. Why dont you pitch in the Omni thread? You aren't getting any takers here.

Most people could easily say the same of your posts.

Cyio 01-18-2020 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2959524)
since when? Our CA’s used to bust $100 regularly. What’s an average 4 day trip worth these days?
Used to be 20-26 on average. The occasional heart stopper 28 hour 4 day trip showed up every once in a while too. We had very few lost days too which I hear is common now.

I haven’t seen a 21 hour trip yet. Pretty sure our four day average is just under 18 hours. Maybe right at it. But yeah definitely not seeing anything in the mid 20’s.

Plus lots of lost days.

Cyio 01-18-2020 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2959529)
Cool story brah. Seriously, have you ever considered selling cars? Look, we've heard this sales pitch enough here. Why dont you pitch in the Omni thread? You aren't getting any takers here.

Or maybe he is, much like everything else you don’t know **** or refuse to prove you do. We know who you are, even if you do swap usernames.

Podrick 01-18-2020 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2959522)
If only a captain could make $100K for those three plus years waiting to flow. Even adding in per diem, that’s assuming you can consistently pick up 12-15 hours OT every month. Just doesn’t happen.

Its pretty realistic, after my first year as a captain on mostly year 3 pay, bidding min guarantee every month and zero OT, I got very close. Add in my 401k matching and Im pretty much there.


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