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Chato 01-29-2020 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Lee 64 (Post 2966840)
the one grievance I wanted to file bc the company was blatantly violating the contact the union said “no we agree with the company””, but yes the contract does say that”

Something along the lines of “Our position is that, without negotiated compensation for such training, (Extra cbt’s)any training administered by the Company violates our contract. However, we advise pilots to complete the training assigned to them by the Company – even if it is unpaid”

contract is being violated yet we want you guys to go ahead with it anyway..

AV8R72 01-29-2020 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 2967095)
Something along the lines of “Our position is that, without negotiated compensation for such training, (Extra cbt’s)any training administered by the Company violates our contract. However, we advise pilots to complete the training assigned to them by the Company – even if it is unpaid”

contract is being violated yet we want you guys to go ahead with it anyway..

Sounds about right

MEGAFUPM 01-30-2020 07:39 AM

Not trying to union bash, but I've also had similar experiences. Being told to not negotiate in public and then going to phone/email and being told they can't discuss anything. I also asked about setting up informational picketing and was told the they weren't gonna set it up but I could do it on my own if I wanted during the AIP event, but now they're sending emails about picketing in support of APA, which I'm not saying you shouldn't, but why couldn't we get the same support for Envoy during our negotiations?

HalyardJammer 01-30-2020 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2967348)
now they're sending emails about picketing in support of APA, which I'm not saying you shouldn't, but why couldn't we get the same support for Envoy during our negotiations?

I thought the same thing when I saw that email.

Gooch 01-30-2020 09:58 AM

Haven’t y’all learned? Socialist groups only put forth effort when it benefits those at the head of the table.

MqWhistleblower 01-30-2020 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2967348)
Not trying to union bash, but I've also had similar experiences. Being told to not negotiate in public and then going to phone/email and being told they can't discuss anything. I also asked about setting up informational picketing and was told the they weren't gonna set it up but I could do it on my own if I wanted during the AIP event, but now they're sending emails about picketing in support of APA, which I'm not saying you shouldn't, but why couldn't we get the same support for Envoy during our negotiations?


agreed! Our union is a bad joke!!!

dera 01-30-2020 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 2967095)
Something along the lines of “Our position is that, without negotiated compensation for such training, (Extra cbt’s)any training administered by the Company violates our contract. However, we advise pilots to complete the training assigned to them by the Company – even if it is unpaid”

contract is being violated yet we want you guys to go ahead with it anyway..

I heard from a credible source that this is being actively discussed with the company. But the current contract (both 14-06 and 17.E) only talks about CQ and QC. Not these corporate CBTs. So there's no contractual language about them.
No one is getting fired over these modules. But they can yank your travel benefits if you skip the travel module. I would do that one.

Chato 01-30-2020 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2967537)
. But they can yank your travel benefits if you skip the travel module. I would do that one.

not risking this one :D

pitchattitude 01-30-2020 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2967537)
I heard from a credible source that this is being actively discussed with the company. But the current contract (both 14-06 and 17.E) only talks about CQ and QC. Not these corporate CBTs. So there's no contractual language about them.
No one is getting fired over these modules. But they can yank your travel benefits if you skip the travel module. I would do that one.

This was my thought as well. These are required by everyone for travel. That being said, we should still be paid for the 10-15 minutes it takes to do it.

havick206 01-31-2020 08:09 AM

When I was a contract compliance volunteer, roughly 80% of the grievances had inadequate or no evidence. When I called/emailed the pilot they either kept no evidence at all or even if they did have it were too lazy to upload it (or even email it to me so i could upload it) to the system.


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