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dera 03-18-2020 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by RawHide (Post 3002702)
Please read letter 13-02

Please read 1. of that letter.

FlyGuy2112 03-18-2020 08:47 PM

****s confusing as ****

NoValueAviator 03-18-2020 09:21 PM

Please read Solzhenitsyn.

dera 03-18-2020 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2112 (Post 3003391)
****s confusing as ****

Whats confusing about it?

FlyGuy2112 03-19-2020 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3003411)
Whats confusing about it?

how can an ALPA/Envoy agreement dictate to american how to allocate regional flying. 2074 pilots need to stay employed or what’s needed to fly 60% of the Regional feed. What if envoy only gets 30% of that feed? We’re just super fat on pilots?

dera 03-19-2020 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2112 (Post 3003886)
how can an ALPA/Envoy agreement dictate to american how to allocate regional flying. 2074 pilots need to stay employed or what’s needed to fly 60% of the Regional feed. What if envoy only gets 30% of that feed? We’re just super fat on pilots?

You are missing the key part of that letter.
1302 was pre-merger.

But seriously 03-19-2020 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3003894)
You are missing the key part of that letter.
1302 was pre-merger.

It does, however, specifically address what happens if AA merges with another airline.

That letter won’t have much of an effect in the current environment. Almost everyone covered by that letter is gone. Also, the company tried to invoke Force Majoure to apply to a law passed by Congress that they’d known about for 3 years (Low Time FO grievance). Does anyone really think they won’t invoke it now when there ACTUALLY IS ONE?!

dera 03-19-2020 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3004068)
It does, however, specifically address what happens if AA merges with another airline.

That letter won’t have much of an effect in the current environment. Almost everyone covered by that letter is gone. Also, the company tried to invoke Force Majoure to apply to a law passed by Congress that they’d known about for 3 years (Low Time FO grievance). Does anyone really think they won’t invoke it now when there ACTUALLY IS ONE?!

Exactly. Long story short, our lifers are safeish. The 2074 number does not apply.

Cujo665 03-20-2020 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3004105)
Exactly. Long story short, our lifers are safeish. The 2074 number does not apply.

the language went from arguing number of pilots, to pilots on the list at DOS. It’s one of the issues I was against. Sucks being proven right, even this many years later. I wish I’d have fought harder.

THKooj 03-20-2020 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3004891)
the language went from arguing number of pilots, to pilots on the list at DOS. It’s one of the issues I was against. Sucks being proven right, even this many years later. I wish I’d have fought harder.

False. You haven't been proven right on anything that you have opined her. Ever. This is just another example. You are just twisting the facts to engage with more false narratives.


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