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pitchattitude 03-30-2020 02:46 PM

Csloa
 
New Company Subsidized Leave of Absence just announced.

FUPM

buddies8 03-30-2020 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3017610)
New Company Subsidized Leave of Absence just announced.

FUPM

I spit in there face, I cough in there face, I sneeze in there face.

CaseTractor 03-31-2020 06:29 AM

Short Rant, what do others think?
 
It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.

Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.

whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.

whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.

AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.

maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.

Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.

buddies8 03-31-2020 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3018230)
It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.

Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.

whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.

whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.

AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.

maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.

Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.

no your not out in left field the company is

Cyio 03-31-2020 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3018230)
It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.

Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.

whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.

whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.

AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.

maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.

Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.

I agree with most of this. I financially can’t take this deal so will be forced to expose myself and family to higher risks. I mean 19
hours a month after taxes and medical doesn’t even cover my mortgage. Pretty sad to be honest and once again the company shows its true colors.

Please don’t chime in with at least we didn’t have to take pay cuts. I know we didn’t and that’s great, but we where not to tier pay anyway. Even if we had to take a modest pay cut it wouldn’t be enough to offset the 31 hour difference.

black cat 03-31-2020 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3018230)
It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.

Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.

whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.

whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.

AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.

maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.

Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.

AAG rolled it out. Not Envoy. We just received an email from Doug and Issom a couple of days ago. They know they've got way too many people on payroll the next few months. So they've expanded the paid leaves to virtually all workgroups across the board. FAs, dispatchers and other management/support staff types are being offered leave with 25% of their monthly pay. Ramper, gate agent, etc types are getting 10 hours of pay per week for full time employees and 5 hours/week for part time. Expect to see a leave program like Envoy pilots are being offered at the other WO regionals.

CLE to IAH 03-31-2020 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3017821)
I spit in there face, I cough in there face, I sneeze in there face.

in where face?

Lahey 03-31-2020 08:53 AM

It’s a conspiracy....

COVID 19 and 19 hours of pay..........

Chato 03-31-2020 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3018394)
in where face?

in there man! :p
Get your GED. I got mines

airlinegypsy 03-31-2020 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3018394)
in where face?


There face. There wolf. There castle.


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