Csloa
03-31-2020, 06:29 AM
#3
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: Pipers!
Posts: 376
Short Rant, what do others think?
It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.
Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.
whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.
whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.
AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.
maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.
Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.
Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.
whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.
whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.
AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.
maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.
Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.
03-31-2020, 07:20 AM
#4
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,707
Originally Posted by CaseTractor
It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.
Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.
whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.
whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.
AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.
maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.
Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.
Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.
whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.
whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.
AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.
maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.
Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.
03-31-2020, 07:39 AM
#5
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,659
Originally Posted by CaseTractor
It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.
Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.
whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.
whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.
AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.
maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.
Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.
Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.
whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.
whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.
AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.
maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.
Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.
hours a month after taxes and medical doesn’t even cover my mortgage. Pretty sad to be honest and once again the company shows its true colors.
Please don’t chime in with at least we didn’t have to take pay cuts. I know we didn’t and that’s great, but we where not to tier pay anyway. Even if we had to take a modest pay cut it wouldn’t be enough to offset the 31 hour difference.
03-31-2020, 07:50 AM
#6
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 200
Originally Posted by CaseTractor
It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.
Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.
whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.
whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.
AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.
maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.
Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.
Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.
whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.
whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.
AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.
maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.
Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.
