Originally Posted by CaseTractor

It’s embarrassing. I get we are not at AA, but a regional, however, I see no reason why we should not be getting 50 hours the same as AA, or SKYW, or most other regionals. It’s industry standard and we work in this industry no different.

Our hourly rate is cheap so 50 hours is commensurate with the whole scaled down pay deal.

whoever came up with the 25% is delusional if they think it’s an attractive deal. I can’t believe the union even had a part is coming up with this.

whats worse is the insult of not keeping a crew badge, jump seat, or KCM. EVEN THE AA GUYS who will never fly again get these benefits until they are 65. Don’t say it can’t be done or a TSA limitation. Can’t is not a word, but won’t or don’t want to is.

AND if we’re still required to maintain currency, that’s certainly enough reason to have a badge. Maybe I’d want to ride a jump seat to figure out what the heck I’m doing before MV, LOE etc. what about warm up sims? Anyone thought of that? Probably not necessary. Who cares if we bust our rides and get fired, that’s only a win win to have less training events and less people to pay the crappy 19 hours.

maybe I’m alone in left field, but I certainly would never consider taking this deal. Hopefully no one does, and forces their hand to furlough after taking BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars.. You’d make more with unemployment, and it would be a PR nightmare for AAG with guys in our mandatory M&H uniforms waiting in a food pantry line. Great story for the Dallas morning news; local representatives might be interested as well.

Not sure if Envoy is going rouge or taking higher level direction, but they have not thought out very far how much this could cost them if it spins badly, and it’s a lot more than 50 hours a month LOA.

Originally Posted by NoValueAviator

Company has shown their hand. With the lines obliterated in May except for DFW 175 they need to dump pilots FAST, and people now know the market rate for regional scum to sit at home is 50 hours/mo with bennies, including the badge. If we take less, we are in fact undercutting our fellow pilots - just like we so often accuse (and joke) that PSA does.

If Envoy was any other company, they’d amend the LOA to match or beat the market, slip that OT buster thing they want in and move on. But they have to twist the knife. My prediction is they throw us all on reserve and aggressively enforce positioning on commuters, to make sure we aren’t sitting at home. At least hotels are cheap.

On another note, I’ve heard the militancy about the badges/JS etc. actually comes from our security committee. Not from company. Can anyone substantiate that?