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NoValueAviator 04-09-2020 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3027747)
What was obvious to shareholders was AAG effectively used one WO regional to drive down costs at the other two.

I can see why PSA hasn't been merged. Although honestly, we're all so cheap (1/10 to 1/4 of what a "real pilot" costs), I think they only make war on us for the principle of the thing.

buddies8 04-09-2020 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3027747)
What was obvious to shareholders was AAG effectively used one WO regional to drive down costs at the other two.

while they pay top dollar to the non w/o

Cujo665 04-09-2020 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3027752)
I can see why PSA hasn't been merged. .

Why wouldn't they?

But seriously 04-09-2020 08:04 AM

The “One regional to rule them all” model obviously CAN be done. AMR did it. On the other hand, AMR was in the process of breaking up that model even before they went bankrupt. USAir came in and clearly didn’t like that model either. I don’t know all the financials behind it, and obviously times have changed, but I’d be surprised if they had that big of a change of heart and merged all three. I could see Piedvoy.

I’m a little surprised that they are still giving flying to non-WO. They are paying us all to stay home, why are they also shoveling money out the door to other contractors?

I’m perfectly happy to get paid to do nothing, and I have friends at those airlines, so I hope they don’t run pulled out from under them. That said, I’m surprised AAG lawyers haven’t found their way out of those contracts yet.

ClappedOut145 04-09-2020 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3027888)
That said, I’m surprised AAG lawyers haven’t found their way out of those contracts yet.

Oh, they have it. Two little words. Force majeure. October is going to kick off a Hunger Games environment. May the odds be in our favor.

Cujo665 04-09-2020 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3027888)
The “One regional to rule them all” model obviously CAN be done. AMR did it. On the other hand, AMR was in the process of breaking up that model even before they went bankrupt. USAir came in and clearly didn’t like that model either. I don’t know all the financials behind it, and obviously times have changed, but I’d be surprised if they had that big of a change of heart and merged all three. I could see Piedvoy.

I’m a little surprised that they are still giving flying to non-WO. They are paying us all to stay home, why are they also shoveling money out the door to other contractors?

I’m perfectly happy to get paid to do nothing, and I have friends at those airlines, so I hope they don’t run pulled out from under them. That said, I’m surprised AAG lawyers haven’t found their way out of those contracts yet.

When did AMR try to break up Eagle before the BK?
they threatened to sell it every four years at amendment rounds, but there was never a move to break it up.
they did start increasing the outsourcing, but not until they were already in bankruptcy getting direction from their future new masters....

The vendors are in for a tougher ride than the WO’s

dera 04-09-2020 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3027699)
Piedvoy has always been obvious from an economic standpoint. AA doesn’t take its responsibility to shareholders very seriously though.

PSAMont is a much more plausible scenario.

But seriously 04-09-2020 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3027955)
When did AMR try to break up Eagle before the BK?
they threatened to sell it every four years at amendment rounds, but there was never a move to break it up.
they did start increasing the outsourcing, but not until they were already in bankruptcy getting direction from their future new masters....

The vendors are in for a tougher ride than the WO’s

I was talking about the divestiture. We’ll never know, but the last move towards it didn’t feel like an idle threat as part of a contract negotiation. That and the increased outsourcing.

Throwitaway 04-09-2020 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3027974)
PSAMont is a much more plausible scenario.

Envoy and Piedmont ground employees provide the same above and below wing services.

Envoy and Piedmont pilots operate aircraft of the same type rating.

PSA and Piedmont is the more plausible merger scenario. . .


#Peevoy

pitchattitude 04-09-2020 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Throwitaway (Post 3028035)
Envoy and Piedmont ground employees provide the same above and below wing services.

Envoy and Piedmont pilots operate aircraft of the same type rating.

PSA and Piedmont is the more plausible merger scenario. . .


#Peevoy

When it is all said and done, I could see Envoy no longer operating the same aircraft as Piedmont. That has more or less been the end state. No more 145s at the ‘Voy.

I have always thought it would be PSA and Piedmont to merge to keep the relative size of the eventual two WOs close.

#PSAMont


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