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3400 04-10-2020 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ready2board (Post 3029081)
2 great companies with garbage management**

Fixed it for you.

Filler.

Cujo665 04-11-2020 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3028110)
Mergers are about saving money. Whatever costs them the least amount of money and will realize them the biggest savings is what they’ll do.

Not always the sole factor. For AA, it has always been a control issue, product/brand protection. Since the merger/bankruptcy cost factor has become more important to them then control & branding.

If you remember, prior to the bankruptcy merger, non owned feed providers were called American Connection. Only owned carriers were American Eagle. That was when the control and branding were more important.... back when having a top line global product was important, not trying to beat the LCC's at their own game.

People who were at Eagle before it was Envoy remember a day when the weren't MEL's all over the place, when something broke, it got fixed by the next day, two at most. A time when Eagle wings were hard to earn, not show up with 1450 hrs and fog a mirror. A time when a low time new hire was well over 3000TT if not much more. A time when the FO didn't immediately try to turn his cell phone on right after clearing the runway (after checking his GoPro of course). A time when guys wore the uniform correctly and proudly, with their hats, and no bakpacks and ear buds be-bopping through the terminal to the latest tune.

I digress.....

LOL

Cheers

Cujo665 04-11-2020 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by Throwitaway (Post 3028386)
Yeah? Dovetail them in based on relative seniority? Or staple them to the bottom? How would you like to see the seniority lists merged if you were in charge?

Staples aren't really legal anymore, the sooner people realize it, the better.

But seriously 04-11-2020 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3029704)
Not always the sole factor. For AA, it has always been a control issue, product/brand protection. Since the merger/bankruptcy cost factor has become more important to them then control & branding.

If you remember, prior to the bankruptcy merger, non owned feed providers were called American Connection. Only owned carriers were American Eagle. That was when the control and branding were more important.... back when having a top line global product was important, not trying to beat the LCC's at their own game.

People who were at Eagle before it was Envoy remember a day when the weren't MEL's all over the place, when something broke, it got fixed by the next day, two at most. A time when Eagle wings were hard to earn, not show up with 14500 hrs and fog a mirror. A time when a low time new hire was well over 3000TT if not much more. A time when the FO didn't immediately try to turn his cell phone on right after clearing the runway (after checking his GoPro of course). A time when guys wore the uniform correctly and proudly, with their hats, and no bakpacks and ear buds be-bopping through the terminal to the latest tune.

I digress.....

LOL

Cheers


I realize that most of the last paragraph was partially tongue in cheek, but...

I was an FO at EGL before ENY was even a gleam in Dan Garton’s eye.

I was hired at 1450hrs

No one had a GoPro, but many of my CAs had me taxiing in with pedals from 27R so they could pack up their sh*t and bolt the second the door opened.

My IOE CA as a NH met me in the terminal wearing tennis shoes and a backpack

The last three weeks I don’t think there has been a single MEL on any plane I’ve flown. That’s probably because half are parked in ABI and the other half fly two legs then terminate for the day...

Your memory might be a little affected by nostalgia :)

THKooj 04-11-2020 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3029704)
Not always the sole factor. For AA, it has always been a control issue, product/brand protection. Since the merger/bankruptcy cost factor has become more important to them then control & branding.

If you remember, prior to the bankruptcy merger, non owned feed providers were called American Connection. Only owned carriers were American Eagle. That was when the control and branding were more important.... back when having a top line global product was important, not trying to beat the LCC's at their own game.

People who were at Eagle before it was Envoy remember a day when the weren't MEL's all over the place, when something broke, it got fixed by the next day, two at most. A time when Eagle wings were hard to earn, not show up with 14500 hrs and fog a mirror. A time when a low time new hire was well over 3000TT if not much more. A time when the FO didn't immediately try to turn his cell phone on right after clearing the runway (after checking his GoPro of course). A time when guys wore the uniform correctly and proudly, with their hats, and no bakpacks and ear buds be-bopping through the terminal to the latest tune.

I digress.....

LOL

Cheers

Let me guess. You predicted this would happen years ago.

Cujo665 04-11-2020 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3029736)
I realize that most of the last paragraph was partially tongue in cheek, but...

I was an FO at EGL before ENY was even a gleam in Dan Garton’s eye.

I was hired at 1450hrs

No one had a GoPro, but many of my CAs had me taxiing in with pedals from 27R so they could pack up their sh*t and bolt the second the door opened.

My IOE CA as a NH met me in the terminal wearing tennis shoes and a backpack

The last three weeks I don’t think there has been a single MEL on any plane I’ve flown. That’s probably because half are parked in ABI and the other half fly two legs then terminate for the day...

Your memory might be a little affected by nostalgia :)

Yeah, you're right.... probably should have specified pre/post-2004 for pilot stuff and after the bankruptcy for the major company changes like the MEL's and cheapening everything.

Cujo665 04-11-2020 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3029741)
Let me guess. You predicted this would happen years ago.

No, but I predicted you'd still claim to have a Military experience based upon your acting experience at playing Civil War reenactments..... which you later changed to claiming to have a Military background.

Nothing to predict here. The USAir management style was well known. It was culture shock for those at AMR who actually gave a crap about the product.

pitchattitude 04-11-2020 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3029741)
Let me guess. You predicted this would happen years ago.

And what about all your predictions?

Go back to your pretend “military background” playing wannabe soldier.

havick206 04-11-2020 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3029704)
Not always the sole factor. For AA, it has always been a control issue, product/brand protection. Since the merger/bankruptcy cost factor has become more important to them then control & branding.

If you remember, prior to the bankruptcy merger, non owned feed providers were called American Connection. Only owned carriers were American Eagle. That was when the control and branding were more important.... back when having a top line global product was important, not trying to beat the LCC's at their own game.

People who were at Eagle before it was Envoy remember a day when the weren't MEL's all over the place, when something broke, it got fixed by the next day, two at most. A time when Eagle wings were hard to earn, not show up with 1450 hrs and fog a mirror. A time when a low time new hire was well over 3000TT if not much more. A time when the FO didn't immediately try to turn his cell phone on right after clearing the runway (after checking his GoPro of course). A time when guys wore the uniform correctly and proudly, with their hats, and no bakpacks and ear buds be-bopping through the terminal to the latest tune.

I digress.....

LOL

Cheers

you mean the same time they hired 3-400 hour pilots and a lot of those pilots failed their ATP?

I get your points but you can’t broad brush everything.

THKooj 04-11-2020 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3029748)
No, but I predicted you'd still claim to have a Military experience based upon your acting experience at playing Civil War reenactments..... which you later changed to claiming to have a Military background.

Nothing to predict here. The USAir management style was well known. It was culture shock for those at AMR who actually gave a crap about the product.

You still can't accept that I work for American Airlines while you have been reduced to working for a sleazy 36th St type outfit. That's what I'm getting out of your post here. Cuj speak as it were.


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