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ZapBrannigan 10-22-2021 07:56 AM

Seems like a great way to get fired… Prevent yourself from being hired elsewhere… And maybe even go to jail for a while. But you do you!

Fake Vaccine Cards are a Federal Crime

eligible2flow 10-22-2021 07:59 AM

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Seems like a great way to get fired… Prevent yourself from being hired elsewhere… And maybe even go to jail for a while. But you do you!

Fake Vaccine Cards are a Federal Crime

Cutting the tag on your mattress is a federal crime

Inclined plane 10-22-2021 08:02 AM

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Cutting the tag on your mattress is a federal crime


No it’s not. It’s a federal crime to sell it with the tag removed. Once you own it, do as you please. Source: mattress salesman at NFM


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NoValueAviator 10-22-2021 08:04 AM

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It seems to me that if an airman is caught falsifying documents like a vaccine card, they’d be taking a a huge risk of losing their medical/ATP. The rationale I’d imagine would be something along the lines of a demonstrated lack of judgment/good moral character, which I think was a conditional requirement for issuance.


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I know a lot of pilots who casually and openly lie on their medicals in relatively benign ways, memorizing eye charts etc. Perhaps you can be the one that leads the charge to audit vaccine cards and separate those you think are unfit (due to judgment, morals, political leanings etc.) from their profession.

Before you cast that kind of stone though, I think you need to look seriously at what you're stating when you complete your 1st class medical every year and see if you can survive an audit of your own medical history.

Inclined plane 10-22-2021 08:09 AM

You assume a lot. Never said I liked it, nor advocating to be some sort of police about it so do me a solid and take a break, get some water, breathe. Just saying it seemed risky to me to be falsifying things. And I don’t falsify anything on medxpress or memorize eye charts. Still rolling 20/20’s, but that is all irrelevant.


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dothisbeasa 10-22-2021 08:16 AM

I’d consider being of good moral character, to require that they stand up against vaccine mandates. But then again I’m not putting my **** into the system.
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It seems to me that if an airman is caught falsifying documents like a vaccine card, they’d be taking a a huge risk of losing their medical/ATP. The rationale I’d imagine would be something along the lines of a demonstrated lack of judgment/good moral character, which I think was a conditional requirement for issuance.


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NoValueAviator 10-22-2021 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Inclined plane (Post 3312698)
You assume a lot. Never said I liked it, nor advocating to be some sort of police about it so do me a solid and take a break, get some water, breathe. Just saying it seemed risky to me to be falsifying things. And I don’t falsify anything on medxpress or memorize eye charts. Still rolling 20/20’s, but that is all irrelevant.


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Lol, so you’ve never had a tummy ache or you’re checking that box on the form and explaining it every year? I don’t believe you, find your moral character wanting, and condemn you to commercial forklift driving.

rickair7777 10-22-2021 08:28 AM

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You don't actually need the jab, you need a little paper card that says you got the jab.

Don't go cheap on that, because they'll can you instantly if they get suspicious and you can't back it up. I've heard the "Maderna" fake cards are the best available.

Inclined plane 10-22-2021 08:29 AM

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I’d consider being of good moral character, to require that they stand up against vaccine mandates. But then again I’m not putting my **** into the system.


My opinion is “you do you”. I personally don’t like being mandated to to get a shot. I got vaccinated because I felt is was wise for me to do so. What you don’t want to? Cool, you shouldn’t have to. Smoking isn’t the best thing for your lungs but people still do it, and it’s perfectly legal and it should be. People can make their own wise or unwise choices. Not a big fan of being told what to do. IMO that should absolutely also apply to other controversial laws regarding the right to choose what is done to one’s own body. Otherwise seems extraordinarily hypocritical to me.


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rickair7777 10-22-2021 08:30 AM

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It seems to me that if an airman is caught falsifying documents like a vaccine card, they’d be taking a a huge risk of losing their medical/ATP. The rationale I’d imagine would be something along the lines of a demonstrated lack of judgment/good moral character, which I think was a conditional requirement for issuance.

No. As long as you don't submit it to the FAA in an official manner, they don't care. You'd also better not lie to your AME about it either, because he will write that down (at least mine did last month).

The ATP "Good Moral Character" clause is nebulous at best. When that clause was written into the regs (circa 1950?), homosexuality would probably get your ATP revoked on that basis. FAA pretty much only applies the clause if you get convicted of a felony, because otherwise it's too vague to adjudicate on appeal.


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