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ClappedOut145 12-31-2021 08:48 PM

Envoy 2022: The Flow of Charlie Bucket
 
Happy New Year! Ric will finally get his wish and Charlie is getting his golden ticket to AA. Employee relations are at an all time high, and Pedro is a shadow figure of a CEO, but don’t you dare get sick more than three times when flying during a pandemic or face discipline. Be safe out there and expect scrutiny during this small blip in human history.

Ddts 01-01-2022 05:03 AM

Pedro is AI generated prove me wrong

ClappedOut145 01-01-2022 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Ddts (Post 3345125)
Pedro is AI generated prove me wrong

Oh come on. He’s been so vocal and been out there in townhall meetings and taken time to meet with employees. Wait…that’s Doug. You might be right. Be might just be a hologram.

SomePilotDude 01-01-2022 11:27 AM

Someone should submit Charlie’s application to United and see who picks him up faster. Welcome to the friendly skies.

ClappedOut145 01-05-2022 11:32 PM

Nice to see the former chair make his way to AA via ATI. Is that the cheat code? Go somewhere else and then beat your flow date?

pitchattitude 01-06-2022 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3347539)
Nice to see the former chair make his way to AA via ATI. Is that the cheat code? Go somewhere else and then beat your flow date?

You can’t argue against having a heavy type and time on your resume and you won’t get that staying at Envoy.

NoValueAviator 01-06-2022 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3347539)
Nice to see the former chair make his way to AA via ATI. Is that the cheat code? Go somewhere else and then beat your flow date?

For one reason or another this does seem to be an effective strategy. There’s no data obviously but I know multiple people personally who jumped ship to various places (including corporate) who got picked up by dAAddy within 12 mos. It happens way too much to be a coincidence imo.

MidsizeSUV 01-06-2022 06:30 AM

AAG isn’t dumb. They know if they hire a WO pilot before flow they gotta pay the bonus money to them AND to the WO pilots that have to flow anyway. It makes 0 sense for them to hire you or me while we’re still on property. If you voluntarily leave the WO, they don’t have to pay you a dime in bonuses.

pitchattitude 01-06-2022 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by MidsizeSUV (Post 3347627)
AAG isn’t dumb. They know if they hire a WO pilot before flow they gotta pay the bonus money to them AND to the WO pilots that have to flow anyway. It makes 0 sense for them to hire you or me while we’re still on property. If you voluntarily leave the WO, they don’t have to pay you a dime in bonuses.

Envoy has already lost you, so AA is no longer the one taking you away.

duck of death 01-06-2022 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by MidsizeSUV (Post 3347627)
AAG isn’t dumb. They know if they hire a WO pilot before flow they gotta pay the bonus money to them AND to the WO pilots that have to flow anyway. It makes 0 sense for them to hire you or me while we’re still on property. If you voluntarily leave the WO, they don’t have to pay you a dime in bonuses.


Am I missing something? If you took the bonus you have that money in the bank. If you wait until your flow to mainline, you get an additional 70 K plus the 50 K annual bonus. If you go straight to AA outside of the flow, they’re paying you 70 K anyways but not 50 K in retention bonus. How is AA saving money by not hiring you outside the flow? If you didn’t take the bonus they’re not gonna pay you a signing bonus anyway.

For what it’s worth I’m hearing now of more and more pilots getting CJO’s that aren’t anywhere near flow. Either the dam is about to break or more of us are starting to figure out the magic formula.


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