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pitchattitude 01-02-2022 06:04 PM

RIP Envoy
 
Judging by the lack of activity here, I’d have to say interest in the ‘Voy is at an all time low. Almost, ALMOST, missing the KoolAid’s rhetoric.

Ironically, I think regional airlines are going to have to do something about flight attendant pay and conditions, possibly before pilots. Granted the qualifications for FAs are minimal, but finding some to stick it out past six months (again, more at the regional level) is starting to put a damper on things. Although, when AA had the cascading meltdown two months ago after the big wind event in DFW, it was the mainline FAs, not the pilots, that drove most of the cancellations.

MidsizeSUV 01-02-2022 07:01 PM

People too busy getting junior manned twice a month to post on here. Or they’re filling their time with complaining about the union on Facebook.

pitchattitude 01-02-2022 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by MidsizeSUV (Post 3346043)
People too busy getting junior manned twice a month to post on here. Or they’re filling their time with complaining about the union on Facebook.

Quite true, but I was thinking about the lack of anyone that isn’t on property yet asking questions. Maybe there is a new forum boomers don’t know about yet.

NoValueAviator 01-03-2022 07:21 AM

Good sign. Interacted with a new hire recently in a hotel van in DFW and got a sense of extremely poorly suited disposition, he was shouting demands and dictating where the van driver would drop off first because he cut it too close on his flight, causing a couple guys to be late to their sim. Truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.

pitchattitude 01-03-2022 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3346178)
Good sign. Interacted with a new hire recently in a hotel van in DFW and got a sense of extremely poorly suited disposition, he was shouting demands and dictating where the van driver would drop off first because he cut it too close on his flight, causing a couple guys to be late to their sim. Truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Sounds like he has a future in management and or crew scheduling. Maybe JE’s eventual replacement!

MochaSwirl 01-03-2022 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3346178)
Good sign. Interacted with a new hire recently in a hotel van in DFW and got a sense of extremely poorly suited disposition, he was shouting demands and dictating where the van driver would drop off first because he cut it too close on his flight, causing a couple guys to be late to their sim. Truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.


So nobody put him in his place?

Chato 01-03-2022 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by MochaSwirl (Post 3346204)
So nobody put him in his place?

This type usually hit a brick wall at some point sooner than later. seen it happen

enyPSIsc2b 01-03-2022 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by MidsizeSUV (Post 3346043)
People too busy getting junior manned twice a month to post on here. Or they’re filling their time with complaining about the union on Facebook.

Hopefully everyone is updating their apps. United is hiring 60+ per week.

Chato 01-03-2022 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by enyPSIsc2b (Post 3346418)
Hopefully everyone is updating their apps. United is hiring 60+ per week.

Yup, take advantage of those unpaid lost days to update your apps.

chihuahua 01-04-2022 09:11 AM

I've posted asking questions here before about Envoy, and other airlines as well as having attended their Aerocrew online job fairs since I was considering getting back into 121 in the late summer and fall. Decided to continue staying on the sidelines of aviation for now. Seems like every airline is understaffed, line holders getting minimum days off, blatant contract violations, low morale, management planning flights they know they don't have the crews to staff properly, etc. Nobody seems happy, and the problems that caused the days long operational meltdowns over the holidays seem to be headed for getting a lot worse before they get a better. Even those that are lucky enough to get a job at mainline AA are going to be stuck doing initial training sims at midnight because management can't competently run an airline, so they're being set up for failure right from the start.


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