RIP Envoy
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RIP Envoy
Judging by the lack of activity here, I’d have to say interest in the ‘Voy is at an all time low. Almost, ALMOST, missing the KoolAid’s rhetoric.
Ironically, I think regional airlines are going to have to do something about flight attendant pay and conditions, possibly before pilots. Granted the qualifications for FAs are minimal, but finding some to stick it out past six months (again, more at the regional level) is starting to put a damper on things. Although, when AA had the cascading meltdown two months ago after the big wind event in DFW, it was the mainline FAs, not the pilots, that drove most of the cancellations.
Ironically, I think regional airlines are going to have to do something about flight attendant pay and conditions, possibly before pilots. Granted the qualifications for FAs are minimal, but finding some to stick it out past six months (again, more at the regional level) is starting to put a damper on things. Although, when AA had the cascading meltdown two months ago after the big wind event in DFW, it was the mainline FAs, not the pilots, that drove most of the cancellations.
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Quite true, but I was thinking about the lack of anyone that isn’t on property yet asking questions. Maybe there is a new forum boomers don’t know about yet.
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Good sign. Interacted with a new hire recently in a hotel van in DFW and got a sense of extremely poorly suited disposition, he was shouting demands and dictating where the van driver would drop off first because he cut it too close on his flight, causing a couple guys to be late to their sim. Truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Good sign. Interacted with a new hire recently in a hotel van in DFW and got a sense of extremely poorly suited disposition, he was shouting demands and dictating where the van driver would drop off first because he cut it too close on his flight, causing a couple guys to be late to their sim. Truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Good sign. Interacted with a new hire recently in a hotel van in DFW and got a sense of extremely poorly suited disposition, he was shouting demands and dictating where the van driver would drop off first because he cut it too close on his flight, causing a couple guys to be late to their sim. Truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.
So nobody put him in his place?
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I've posted asking questions here before about Envoy, and other airlines as well as having attended their Aerocrew online job fairs since I was considering getting back into 121 in the late summer and fall. Decided to continue staying on the sidelines of aviation for now. Seems like every airline is understaffed, line holders getting minimum days off, blatant contract violations, low morale, management planning flights they know they don't have the crews to staff properly, etc. Nobody seems happy, and the problems that caused the days long operational meltdowns over the holidays seem to be headed for getting a lot worse before they get a better. Even those that are lucky enough to get a job at mainline AA are going to be stuck doing initial training sims at midnight because management can't competently run an airline, so they're being set up for failure right from the start.
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